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Post by baldy on Jan 14, 2011 18:57:24 GMT
In charge at White Hart Lane . Man U unbeaten run could be in serious jeopardy with him in charge. If he's on one of his self promotion drives to get some headlines then he could **** it right up. It's right up his street to make a contentious decision that ends the unbeaten run. You can just see the headlines with that smug **** lapping it all up. I guarantee you at least one talking point with him.
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Post by ConcreteBob on Jan 14, 2011 19:24:57 GMT
Howard Webb invented.
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Post by yellowwhite on Jan 14, 2011 19:41:13 GMT
Get the excuses in early then baldy!
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Post by peterdevo on Jan 14, 2011 19:52:54 GMT
Fergie will be chewing Wrigleys even faster and facing possible FA charges ... nothing new there then
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Post by sihath on Jan 14, 2011 20:01:20 GMT
Elsewhere Baldy says:
"No, not at all. They don't need any players. Dig out some of my old postings from the summer and I argued tirelessly that Man U had the strongest squad in the Premiership by a mile. I was shot down as some sort of clueless numpty with everyone saying their squad was the weakest its ever been. That is just rubbish, its a ridiculously strong squad with quality cover three times over in some positions.
Man U need nobody right now. There will be an overhaul in the summer because there are a few ageing legs who will need replacing but do they have enough to see this season through and pick up a couple of trophies ? Yes, without a shadow of doubt."
Now they are going to get beat because of the referee.
The fact is anyone in the league can beat anyone else. It won't be down to the ref. Although Man Utd fans will say it is.
Are you equally worried about D J Phillips?
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 14, 2011 20:10:56 GMT
So what are you suggesting then. Man Utd hand pick all of their referees? If so it would be this fella every single game... ;D
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 14, 2011 20:56:02 GMT
You mean there's a ref who isn't biased towards Man Utd?
That i've got to see....
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Post by baldy on Jan 14, 2011 22:01:46 GMT
I wonder who the linesmen and 4th official are. With a bit of luck it will be a decent 4th official so he can put Dean back on track at half time if its all gone t**s up and he's having one of those days.
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Post by kenskeen on Jan 14, 2011 22:26:05 GMT
The forth official seems to be an A. Ferguson of Wilmslow.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 14, 2011 22:44:46 GMT
So man utd get all the decsions do they. I bet they get less penaltys than others do in the premier league...
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Post by kenskeen on Jan 14, 2011 23:06:31 GMT
Don't know this season can't find the stats.
last season Chelsea got the most - 12 and had 5 given against them with a balance of 7
Man u were awarded 8 and had 2 given against them a balance of 6
Arsenal had 4 awarded and 6 given against them a balance of minus 2
Bottom were Spurs 3 awarded 9 conceded a balance of minus 6
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 14, 2011 23:08:56 GMT
Arsenal and Spurs defence must be shite then. Giving away 9 penalties a season isn't good. 6 isn't exactly great.
Not that it takes away their ability going forward. Amazingly talented teams
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Post by junior1 on Jan 14, 2011 23:50:19 GMT
Don't know this season can't find the stats. last season Chelsea got the most - 12 and had 5 given against them with a balance of 7 Man u were awarded 8 and had 2 given against them a balance of 6 Arsenal had 4 awarded and 6 given against them a balance of minus 2 Bottom were Spurs 3 awarded 9 conceded a balance of minus 6 Got a stat for you.... Brb Got these from twitter “@OSullivanMUFC: Just to point out with all the Scouse moaning about 'typical Mancs' - 5.1% of #mufc goals have been pens since 2003. #lfc? 9.1%. Victims.†“@OSullivanMUFC: 10/11: #mufc awarded 4 penalties. #lfc 7, #mcfc 7, #cfc 8 & #afc 11. 5.2% of #united goals pens, #liverpool 12.2%. Ref bias for Utd = myth. “@OSullivanMUFC: Total #epl since '92 (716 games), #mufc have been awarded 88 penalties - scoring 66. Just 4.6 pens/season & 4.7% of total goals, very low.â€Â
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 10:18:45 GMT
Surely it's impossible to say if one team or another is favoured more or less by referees.
The only way you could show any bias by the officials would be if different decisions were given for identical incidents. And as you cannot hve identical incidents (only similar - which negates the argument) then you cannot identify any bias.
Attacking sides, like Man Utd Arsenal, Spurs probably spend more time in the opponents penalty box than the "smaller" teams so are more likely to be fouled.
This thread is an example of supporters/critics of certain teams claiming opposite points of view.
Baldy (Man Utd supporter) claims the referee will be biased against Man Utd. Moobs (Man Utd critic) seems to think all refs are biased towards Man Utd.
I'm sure someone with an interest or knowledge of human behaviour will be able to cast some light on the subject. For my opinion, I think that possibly subconsciously refs may give decisions to the 'bigger' teams as they know if they don't there will be criticism from the managers/players/media. The bigger teams get more press coverage so any contentious decisions will get more coverage. Therefore they are more likely to favour the big teams.
Statistics only cloud the issue.
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 15, 2011 10:27:57 GMT
I've never known a contentious decision at Old Trafford go against Man Utd, they nearly always get these decisions in their favour
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 10:38:52 GMT
I've never known a contentious decision at Old Trafford go against Man Utd, they nearly always get these decisions in their favour I'm sure Baldy has a database of poor decisions he could share with you
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 11:21:31 GMT
I've never known a contentious decision at Old Trafford go against Man Utd, they nearly always get these decisions in their favour Man U went two years without a penalty at OT about four or five seasons ago. Are you telling me that no Man U player, with all their attacking instinct, was felled in the box in two years ? There have been some bewildering decisions at OT that have not been given to Man U. I sort of agree with sihath that big teams, yes that includes Arsenal, get favourable decisions. If you get 72,000 clamouring for a spot kick then thats a lot of pressure and I wouldn't doubt that a referee can be swayed if its a close call. But there have been some extraordinary images of referees waving play on at OT when the likes of Ronaldo and Nani have been butchered in the penalty area. I think Fergie has pointed this out and I agree with him.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 15, 2011 11:31:12 GMT
I'm sulking.... No one likes my stats....
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 11:53:30 GMT
I'm sulking.... No one likes my stats.... They were just a jumble of characters...... and from Twitter!
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 15, 2011 17:24:17 GMT
I've never known a contentious decision at Old Trafford go against Man Utd, they nearly always get these decisions in their favour Man U went two years without a penalty at OT about four or five seasons ago. Are you telling me that no Man U player, with all their attacking instinct, was felled in the box in two years ? There have been some bewildering decisions at OT that have not been given to Man U. I sort of agree with sihath that big teams, yes that includes Arsenal, get favourable decisions. If you get 72,000 clamouring for a spot kick then thats a lot of pressure and I wouldn't doubt that a referee can be swayed if its a close call. But there have been some extraordinary images of referees waving play on at OT when the likes of Ronaldo and Nani have been butchered in the penalty area. I think Fergie has pointed this out and I agree with him. There have been some bewildering decisions given for man U too baldy. I love this referee's conspiracy bit that you and fergie have deluded yourselves into. Ask fergie and you'd have thought there was some gargantuan plot against them not to allow penalties, yet ask almost any fan or manager of another club and they will tell you United get loads of penalties that they shouldn't have, thus turning the argument on its head. Just what is it about dean that means he is biased against united? If it is, as you suggest, attention seeking, then surely it is the same for all clubs who dean refs but you have consistently implied that it is something specific to united.
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