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Post by klimt on Jan 6, 2011 13:09:15 GMT
The thing is that a lot of what baldy posts is contentious wind up material and intended to get a reaction. And he succeeds, I often react to the utterly pointless crap he posts, but then I only have myself to blame. In his defence, he's clearly very knowledgable about football and some of his arguments are pretty convincing too. I think its just his rather snide style I take exception to, but as our paths arent likely to cross in the real world I think I'll try harder to avoid him in this virtual one and respect his right to post whatever he wants.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jan 6, 2011 14:23:18 GMT
The forum and in particular N&I has gone downhill because it's not debate it's just a slanging match, and it's all so little based on fact but instead club bias that there is simply no point debating. It's truly gone down the hill. People need to learn humility, how to debate, how to recognise that there are two sides to every story, and instead of arguing crass baseness try to be more thoughtful and creative, and then the standard might improve. At the moment certain people, and Baldy is by far the worst but not he only, seem to delight in trying to win an argument rather than debate sensibly on fact. Quite frankly you only have to look at how many decent posters have been scared off by the inane dribble on here to realise that. I tend to post far less than I ever did in N&I because no matter what I post, I know it will be ruined as athread by somehow being screwed back to being an Arsenal v Man U debate. Depressing. You'll have to tell us all how to debate then..... The forum is only as good as it's posters, and if some scared off, what was it that they didn't like? This is a genuine plea for you to offer something to stem the flow. Try not to be completely boring, predictable, repetitive and only comment to get a reaction or deliberately wind people up. You'd hope people would take a step back and challenge themselves intellectually a bit and feel that what they have posted has some genuine quality. I don't intend to try and stem the flow. It's a battle many tried on TIU and convincingly lost. There use to be some very good posters drawn to that section such as Kemp, JCR, Myles, Fat Andy, Charlie, Pogue, etc. Not anymore. It's been overrun with Premiership supporters playing playground games. It's infantile and pointless. Hopefully one day those on there will take a step back and realise how awful it comes across. It's no defence to say "You're provoking debate" if it's a worthless and ill-informed infantile squabble. It's just a complete waste of human time, effort and energy.
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Post by Wright for England on Jan 6, 2011 14:52:31 GMT
anyone that has two teams makes me sick
go and knock one out on a premiership forum
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Post by amarillo on Jan 6, 2011 15:03:54 GMT
In my opinion those who continuously wind up the likes of Baldy are more responsible for reducing this board to a slanging match.
Baldy is obviously biased towards Man U but is a good poster and contributes far more than those who come out with rubbish like the last post. If you're that offended by people having a second team then don't come on this section.
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Post by Dichio on Jan 6, 2011 15:07:03 GMT
So this isnt an Oxford United forum ? Shift your eyes up about 20cms and read what it says under Yellows ! Apart from the fact that peeps openly supporting another team on here is a bit of a piss take any debate about the prem turns into a playground slagfest. And under that..... National and International. What do you suggest the topics in this section should be about? (Serious question). All things Oxford fit into Players, Matches, Management, Ground etc, this is for the non-OUFC football stuff and Misc is just that. There isn't a lot of Oxford debate in the Misc section, should all topics in there be about Oxford? You asked a serious question and my response to that would be that i dont think anyone has a problem ( myself included ) talking/debating all things prem, supporting and turning threads into a pro manu/arsenal diatribe on an OUFC forum however is something else. Would this still be acceptable if/when we get to the Prem in the future ?
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 6, 2011 15:07:16 GMT
anyone that has two teams makes me sick go and knock one out on a premiership forum You haven't got a 2nd team, you don't like premiership or other football, you've got nothing to add to these debates. Only one thing you can do then, ....F*CK OFF....
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Post by klimt on Jan 6, 2011 15:23:59 GMT
anyone that has two teams makes me sick go and knock one out on a premiership forum You haven't got a 2nd team, you don't like premiership or other football, you've got nothing to add to these debates. Only one thing you can do then, ....F*CK OFF.... To use words like 'debate' suggests a level of intellect and objectivity which is clearly absent, and by telling the poster to f**k off you prove the point. Seriously, if people want to debate they have at least to observe and respect other arguments and take notice of how their comments might be construed by others. For example, Baldy comes across as an arrogant know it all wind up merchant, you telling someone to f**k off because they make a comment you find offensive makes you come across as some kind of gobby teenager. The point is that neither has to do with 'debate; and this section has deteriorated massively due to the constant provocative posts of certain individuals. If you cant see that you shouldn't be a moderator
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 15:51:09 GMT
You haven't got a 2nd team, you don't like premiership or other football, you've got nothing to add to these debates. Only one thing you can do then, ....F*CK OFF.... To use words like 'debate' suggests a level of intellect and objectivity which is clearly absent, and by telling the poster to f**k off you prove the point. Seriously, if people want to debate they have at least to observe and respect other arguments and take notice of how their comments might be construed by others. For example, Baldy comes across as an arrogant know it all wind up merchant, you telling someone to f**k off because they make a comment you find offensive makes you come across as some kind of gobby teenager. The point is that neither has to do with 'debate; and this section has deteriorated massively due to the constant provocative posts of certain individuals. If you cant see that you shouldn't be a moderatorHe isn't.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 15:52:30 GMT
You'll have to tell us all how to debate then..... The forum is only as good as it's posters, and if some scared off, what was it that they didn't like? This is a genuine plea for you to offer something to stem the flow. Try not to be completely boring, predictable, repetitive and only comment to get a reaction or deliberately wind people up. You'd hope people would take a step back and challenge themselves intellectually a bit and feel that what they have posted has some genuine quality. I don't intend to try and stem the flow. It's a battle many tried on TIU and convincingly lost. There use to be some very good posters drawn to that section such as Kemp, JCR, Myles, Fat Andy, Charlie, Pogue, etc. Not anymore. It's been overrun with Premiership supporters playing playground games. It's infantile and pointless. Hopefully one day those on there will take a step back and realise how awful it comes across. It's no defence to say "You're provoking debate" if it's a worthless and ill-informed infantile squabble. It's just a complete waste of human time, effort and energy. Good post.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 6, 2011 16:05:46 GMT
To those who have a problem with the Man Utd/Arsenal debate - Here's how it works - If you're not interested don't read it. Simples! If you're only interested in reading about Oxford Utd, then the N + I forum isn't the place for you - Go to any of the first five sub-forums. If you want to discuss other teams in the N + I forum rather than Man Utd/Arsenal, try clicking the 'New Thread button' and start one off - You never know it might catch on. Here's a few ideas to start things off:- 1. Who will win La Liga 2. Will AFC Wimbledon earn promotion to the Football League 3. Will Luton crash and burn (Again) 4. Will the Scum join us in League 2 next season (by that I mean S***don) It ain't rocket science.
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Post by klimt on Jan 6, 2011 16:06:30 GMT
To use words like 'debate' suggests a level of intellect and objectivity which is clearly absent, and by telling the poster to f**k off you prove the point. Seriously, if people want to debate they have at least to observe and respect other arguments and take notice of how their comments might be construed by others. For example, Baldy comes across as an arrogant know it all wind up merchant, you telling someone to f**k off because they make a comment you find offensive makes you come across as some kind of gobby teenager. The point is that neither has to do with 'debate; and this section has deteriorated massively due to the constant provocative posts of certain individuals. If you cant see that you shouldn't be a moderatorHe isn't. You mean he isnt 'anymore' ?
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 16:08:24 GMT
He isn't. You mean he isnt 'anymore' ? Moobs hasn't been a mod on this forum.
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Post by malcolmnl on Jan 6, 2011 16:13:35 GMT
And he has never been one. You are confusing Beav with moobs. "Fly like a brick"or whatever his name is now, is moobs.
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Post by klimt on Jan 6, 2011 16:19:48 GMT
And he has never been one. You are confusing Beav with moobs. "Fly like a brick"or whatever his name is now, is moobs. I'm easily confused Malcolm and, as you are aware, concerned by some aspects of 'moderator' and wondering how these may have been addressed
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 6, 2011 16:23:54 GMT
Some of you are missing my point. I am not criticising the views of Baldy or the way he portrays them. I am, however, guiding him to some other forums where his biased nature will be shared. Him, Moobs and Junior may as well have a private messaging conversation.
If I were to start a debate as to the potential of say Federico Macheda, it will inevitably lead to a slanging match comparing him to Walcott or Wilshire whilst no doubt ending in a argument about whether Rooney is world class or shit. It is all just boring.
It is not a case of "if you don't like it don't read it", except in the case of Wright For England, but a case of fixing it. I want to be able to come on here and read interesting comments, both neutral and biased, which do not descend into the boring infantile slanging matches.
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Post by Dichio on Jan 6, 2011 16:27:50 GMT
Some of you are missing my point. I am not criticising the views of Baldy or the way he portrays them. I am, however, guiding him to some other forums where his biased nature will be shared. Him, Moobs and Junior may as well have a private messaging conversation. If I were to start a debate as to the potential of say Federico Macheda, it will inevitably lead to a slanging match comparing him to Walcott or Wilshire whilst no doubt ending in a argument about whether Rooney is world class or shit. It is all just boring. It is not a case of "if you don't like it don't read it", except in the case of Wright For England, but a case of fixing it. I want to be able to come on here and read interesting comments, both neutral and biased, which do not descend into the boring infantile slanging matches. You mean a forum like this one ? premlovein.proboards.com/index.cgi
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 16:28:56 GMT
Some of you are missing my point. I am not criticising the views of Baldy or the way he portrays them. I am, however, guiding him to some other forums where his biased nature will be shared. Him, Moobs and Junior may as well have a private messaging conversation. If I were to start a debate as to the potential of say Federico Macheda, it will inevitably lead to a slanging match comparing him to Walcott or Wilshire whilst no doubt ending in a argument about whether Rooney is world class or shit. It is all just boring. It is not a case of "if you don't like it don't read it", except in the case of Wright For England, but a case of fixing it. I want to be able to come on here and read interesting comments, both neutral and biased, which do not descend into the boring infantile slanging matches. The vary nature of a message board is that you can post what you want within reason. It would be a step in the wrong direction to police the arena too heavily. I don't know what the success of the ashes thread in misc is, because that hasn't encouraged any off topic slanging matches. Maybe it is a problem peculiar to the N&I section?
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 6, 2011 16:32:59 GMT
Some of you are missing my point. I am not criticising the views of Baldy or the way he portrays them. I am, however, guiding him to some other forums where his biased nature will be shared. Him, Moobs and Junior may as well have a private messaging conversation. If I were to start a debate as to the potential of say Federico Macheda, it will inevitably lead to a slanging match comparing him to Walcott or Wilshire whilst no doubt ending in a argument about whether Rooney is world class or shit. It is all just boring. It is not a case of "if you don't like it don't read it", except in the case of Wright For England, but a case of fixing it. I want to be able to come on here and read interesting comments, both neutral and biased, which do not descend into the boring infantile slanging matches. The vary nature of a message board is that you can post what you want within reason. It would be a step in the wrong direction to police the arena too heavily. I don't know what the success of the ashes thread in misc is, because that hasn't encouraged any off topic slanging matches. Maybe it is a problem peculiar to the N&I section? Gutted to have just found that thread on the eve of the finale...
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Post by klimt on Jan 6, 2011 16:33:19 GMT
Yes Gavin, and people are posting their thoughts about the slanging matches and the deterioration of this section. Its also the case that moderators can intervene and 'moderate' without policing
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 16:39:35 GMT
The vary nature of a message board is that you can post what you want within reason. It would be a step in the wrong direction to police the arena too heavily. I don't know what the success of the ashes thread in misc is, because that hasn't encouraged any off topic slanging matches. Maybe it is a problem peculiar to the N&I section? Gutted to have just found that thread on the eve of the finale... I think it will be used for the one day internationals and 20/20 games too though.
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