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Post by Londonroader on Dec 20, 2010 8:47:50 GMT
People want to get their facts right before spouting sh ite on this thread. Whatever has happened is now history however unfortunately Chris Williams departure was, can we move on, nothing is perfect in this world and as has been said,"the club is bigger than any individual", time to pull together. Move on from what? We don’t know what went on so what do we move on from? Every corporation learns from its mistakes (and I’m not saying this decision/situation is one) but to restrict debate along the lines of ‘let’s sweep this one under the carpet’ smacks me as not properly communicating with Us. But maybe I’m wrong, and a news item on the official site entitled “Staff Update” was a fab bit of feeding fans information that would endear them to Oxford United... In your defence, Londonroader, then I agree with you that people need to get their facts right before posting. What the club does next regarding replacing Chris (apart from trying to get a game of mega-hyped up football on in a week’s time in Frozen Britain) will be interesting. UE : Jim Smith agrees to take over the position in a caretaker role. The club make their collective mind up about the divisions and importance of media, marketing and customer communications. Kelvin thinks about whether to fill the gap in-house or go through a proper appointment process, but in the end does an Alan Sugar and gives a few people a week each in charge of what Chris did and fires one every Wednesday (with the Boardroom scene exclusively on Yellow Player of course). Do we have a right to know ? Neither Chris or the club have put anything meaningful to the fans on this, so what are we going to achieve rattling a few skeletons on this subject, are we looking for another person to be ostracised so we can have closure on this.
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Post by hairy on Dec 20, 2010 11:53:16 GMT
Spot on that london roader.
How much information do any of us have the right to know as a fan who pays to watch match's (or not in some cases)? Would knowing every internal detail help or hamper the club?
Buying a season ticket is not the same as buying the club, you have to accept that the club will sometimes have internal issues that it will deal with that are none of our business. You dont not shop in tesco's because they wont give you the gossip in the canteen.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Dec 20, 2010 11:59:36 GMT
Spot on that london roader. How much information do any of us have the right to know as a fan who pays to watch match's (or not in some cases)? Would knowing every internal detail help or hamper the club? Buying a season ticket is not the same as buying the club, you have to accept that the club will sometimes have internal issues that it will deal with that are none of our business. You dont not shop in tesco's because they wont give you the gossip in the canteen. I don't shop in Tesco purely because of their secrecy of canteen gossip. I't just not cricket.
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Post by hairy on Dec 20, 2010 12:03:31 GMT
I always took you to be a Lidls man anyway Gav.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Dec 20, 2010 12:49:12 GMT
I always took you to be a Lidls man anyway Gav. Lidl do lobster at £5 each. Suits my palate and my bank account.
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Post by scoob on Dec 20, 2010 17:41:59 GMT
People want to get their facts right before spouting sh ite on this thread. Whatever has happened is now history however unfortunately Chris Williams departure was, can we move on, nothing is perfect in this world and as has been said,"the club is bigger than any individual", time to pull together. Move on from what? We don’t know what went on so what do we move on from? Every corporation learns from its mistakes (and I’m not saying this decision/situation is one) but to restrict debate along the lines of ‘let’s sweep this one under the carpet’ smacks me as not properly communicating with Us. But maybe I’m wrong, and a news item on the official site entitled “Staff Update” was a fab bit of feeding fans information that would endear them to Oxford United... In your defence, Londonroader, then I agree with you that people need to get their facts right before posting. What the club does next regarding replacing Chris ( apart from trying to get a game of mega-hyped up football on in a week’s time in Frozen Britain) will be interesting. UE : Jim Smith agrees to take over the position in a caretaker role. The club make their collective mind up about the divisions and importance of media, marketing and customer communications. Kelvin thinks about whether to fill the gap in-house or go through a proper appointment process, but in the end does an Alan Sugar and gives a few people a week each in charge of what Chris did and fires one every Wednesday (with the Boardroom scene exclusively on Yellow Player of course). If I read it right then Snake all you are interested in is the gossip and not what really matters?
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Post by irishterrier on Dec 20, 2010 18:57:07 GMT
firstly let me say sorry for my childish words yesterday! lets just say 2 much beer and bad mood! i really am sorry!!!!!!!! but i still think wilder is a good manager ,,but a bully! he does lord it over us at times in my opinion! but once again sorry.. i know that im in the minority ,but hay ,at least i dont just go with the flow and follow the sheep! i also thought patto was a good manager and that he wasnt given enough time ! so yes im a bit odd! but not boring! ;D
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Post by fredwest on Dec 20, 2010 19:43:49 GMT
firstly let me say sorry for my childish words yesterday! lets just say 2 much beer and bad mood! i really am sorry!!!!!!!! but i still think wilder is a good manager ,,but a bully! he does lord it over us at times in my opinion! but once again sorry.. i know that im in the minority ,but hay ,at least i dont just go with the flow and follow the sheep! i also thought patto was a good manager and that he wasnt given enough time ! so yes im a bit odd! but not boring! ;D Enough said
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Post by Snake on Dec 20, 2010 21:29:17 GMT
Move on from what? We don’t know what went on so what do we move on from? Every corporation learns from its mistakes (and I’m not saying this decision/situation is one) but to restrict debate along the lines of ‘let’s sweep this one under the carpet’ smacks me as not properly communicating with Us. But maybe I’m wrong, and a news item on the official site entitled “Staff Update” was a fab bit of feeding fans information that would endear them to Oxford United... In your defence, Londonroader, then I agree with you that people need to get their facts right before posting. What the club does next regarding replacing Chris ( apart from trying to get a game of mega-hyped up football on in a week’s time in Frozen Britain) will be interesting. UE : Jim Smith agrees to take over the position in a caretaker role. The club make their collective mind up about the divisions and importance of media, marketing and customer communications. Kelvin thinks about whether to fill the gap in-house or go through a proper appointment process, but in the end does an Alan Sugar and gives a few people a week each in charge of what Chris did and fires one every Wednesday (with the Boardroom scene exclusively on Yellow Player of course). If I read it right then Snake all you are interested in is the gossip and not what really matters? That depends on your interpretation of what really matters (which is?). You could spend all day on here and other forums reading “gossip” but I’m much more a fan of fact if that helps! Anyway, Londonroader rightly raises the issue of “Do we have a right to know?” and the simple answer to that one is no, we don’t, because the club can do whatever it wants to a certain extent. It’s not like Us spending our money in Tesco because there are lots of other supermarkets that offer the same goods. i.e. Oxford United supporters don’t just go off to Reading or Chelsea etc when the product/price becomes more interesting than those offered at Minchery Farm, but on the flip side the club has a solid but limited captive market and to really move on we need to engage better with the people who are not yet addicted to Oxford United (i.e. the regular and casual supporters) so any complacency on the marketing and communication side of things means less money for players at the end of the day. If it sounds like I’m nagging on with this issue then I’m happy to hold up my hands and say yes, I am, because filling the position left by CW is (imho) important and nothing to do with tittle-tattle.
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Post by scoob on Dec 21, 2010 0:18:01 GMT
Snake I certainly agree that getting the right person into the job is extremely important but I am not convinced that having a witch hunt every time something happens at the club is too important.
I agree with Londonroader which is unusual as we rarely agree. We have no right to know the reasons. If Chris Williams feels that his version of events is radically different to those suggested on the official site then it is up to him to decide how important it is for everyone to know the truth. Otherwise we have to accept that the official version was the truth and move on.
As usual, with OUFC, there is much speculation and a few people who suggest that they are in the know, but I rarely believe anything like that posted on here.
"Personal reasons" can mean anything but I don't expect the club ever to issue a statement that says "Fred Blogs had a bust up with Uncle Tom Cobley so he threw his toys out of the pram and resigned". Whatever the club says some people will read something between the lines or believe the Chinese Whispers eminating from "within the club".
This could be a simple personality clash that would never be resolved but that does not, by itself, mean that either side is particularly at fault. KT comes across as honest even if he understandably puts a positive spin to his words. Chris Williams has done a good job during his tenure but his position is one of many admin positions that need to be done well to help the club flourish but it is not on the same level as Chairman, Chief Exec, Team Manager, Leading Striker or Goalkeeper all of whom have a much greater effect on the future of the club.
I may have misread the section that I highlighted but it seemed to me that you consider this issue to be more important than the efforts of fans/sponsors who are getting as many people through the gates as possible. To me the number of bums on seats is the most important issue and always will be.
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Post by slappy on Dec 21, 2010 10:52:52 GMT
Get your application in by Christmas Eve! link here
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Post by Vulcan XH558 on Dec 21, 2010 12:46:30 GMT
firstly let me say sorry for my childish words yesterday! lets just say 2 much beer and bad mood! i really am sorry!!!!!!!! but i still think wilder is a good manager ,,but a bully! he does lord it over us at times in my opinion! but once again sorry.. i know that im in the minority ,but hay ,at least i dont just go with the flow and follow the sheep! i also thought patto was a good manager and that he wasnt given enough time ! so yes im a bit odd! but not boring! ;D I knew you were odd. But I didn't realise you were that odd ;D ;D
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Post by psquared on Dec 21, 2010 14:12:14 GMT
Get your application in by Christmas Eve! link hereNot long is it - do you think they have someone in mind?
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Post by ConcreteBob on Dec 23, 2010 12:14:46 GMT
Since Chris Williams has left we haven't been told about Stevenage being made pay on the gate and where to pick up pre booked tickets on the day. Not great.
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Post by irishterrier on Dec 23, 2010 19:13:47 GMT
ask kt
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Post by Snake on Jan 6, 2011 20:42:57 GMT
No worries. KT is cool by me, but on the flip side he is contracted to paid employment by WPL. Anyway, in the next 24-48 hours we will all be able to read the “official” notes of the meeting between WPL and OxVox, but as long as we keep winning games and are still capable of reaching that elusive 7th spot in Division IV who cares about off-the-field issues?
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