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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 15:01:24 GMT
You can read Aggers mind now? You know he intended to foul Beratov? OK I'm being Silly! .... and I didn't see a trailing leg. Guess I must be f**king blind or silly or both. Let me get this right. Are you saying that Agger didn't stick out a leg ? |
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 15:02:27 GMT
Penalty !!!!
Gigs was tripped.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 9, 2011 15:03:25 GMT
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 15:04:35 GMT
Did you not realise that Gerrard dived   If you look elsewhere on YouTube you'll see lots of players diving (whispers) even some Man Utd players. |
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 9, 2011 15:05:02 GMT
.... and I didn't see a trailing leg. Guess I must be f**king blind or silly or both. Let me get this right. Are you saying that Agger didn't stick out a leg ? He went for the tackle, so he did stick the leg out. But the leg didn't make contact. The contact was a slight shove in the back from Agger on Berbatov. If Berbatov had gone straight down I could understand a penalty being given. He didn't. He carried on for another step - with perfect balance - before throwing himself. The shove did not cause him to go down. No penalty. |
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Post by Dichio on Jan 9, 2011 15:06:44 GMT
Why isn't there half a dozen threads about Evra's dive already?? Could it be that it wasn't given?? Same 'crime', different decision, not a cheat?? I think the mods need to create a Berbatov Love-In sub category. No need to do that, just click on the link under where it says " go on you know you want to" below. |
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Post by kenskeen on Jan 9, 2011 15:06:55 GMT
No Sihath other players have protruding legs so Manchester United players are allowed to fall over in the penalty box.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 9, 2011 15:08:33 GMT
Giggs was fouled. Should have been a pen...
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 9, 2011 15:10:26 GMT
Ref probably saw the replay so decided to 'even it out'
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Post by junior1 on Jan 9, 2011 15:11:47 GMT
Bottled it then!
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 15:13:14 GMT
Probably felt he had already done enough to help Man Utd win the game |
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 9, 2011 15:15:21 GMT
And here we go again. Shelvey gets the ball in the Giggs incident. I apptf Gerrard tripped him from the changing room? I would say watch the replay but that hasn't helped you so far...
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 15:22:06 GMT
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 9, 2011 15:28:38 GMT
Ryan Giggs was no way a penalty. It was out and out cheating, and Howard Webb should have booked him for it. Disgrace.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 9, 2011 15:31:06 GMT
Berbatov mom ?
Kelly was decent for Liverpool, looks a player
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 15:36:47 GMT
Berbatov mom ? Kelly was decent for Liverpool, looks a player I'd have given the mom to Evans but, I agree, Kelly looks a great prospect. Cash in on Johnson and give Kelly the shirt. |
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Post by followtheox on Jan 9, 2011 15:48:24 GMT
seen the replay and I stand by what i said. Just an after thought - you can be awarded a penalty for intent and anyone who doesn't think there was intent from agger to foul Berbatov is off their rocker. I agree with this. Although the pundits are sure it was not a penalty, to me the video was inconclusive at best. They should also ban those little monitors by the managers. I mean making your mind up after a slow motion replay and then getting angry at the ref is ridiculous. |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 9, 2011 16:09:30 GMT
The fact of the matter is that berbatov dived. What is perhaps more significant is that the assistant who was about 15 yards away didn't give it, but Webb, who was 25 yards away and without a clear view of the incdent, did. If you have to, as a ref, be sure its a penalty in order to give it how can Webb have been sure of such non-existant contact when he was so far away and couldn't see it.
And, what is the point of having an assistant ref if he is going to be too sh!tscared to take responsibility. At the end of the day it was always going to be a penalty because the game was being played at old trafford and we all know what happens to ref's who don't give pens there, even when they aren't penalties at all.
Then we have the gerrard sending off. A clear red really, although perhaps had i been the ref i would have been slightly more lenient given the nature of the game as a derby. The real issue with that was the fact that here we have a ref giving a straight red for a kind of challenge which should, but soes not always, result in a red card, and the ref giving it was one who in another recent game thought trips, cynical stamps and karate kicks were perfectly acceptable challenges.
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Post by followtheox on Jan 9, 2011 16:21:02 GMT
The fact of the matter is that berbatov dived. What is perhaps more significant is that the assistant who was about 15 yards away didn't give it, but Webb, who was 25 yards away and without a clear view of the incdent, did. If you have to, as a ref, be sure its a penalty in order to give it how can Webb have been sure of such non-existant contact when he was so far away and couldn't see it. And, what is the point of having an assistant ref if he is going to be too sh!tscared to take responsibility. At the end of the day it was always going to be a penalty because the game was being played at old trafford and we all know what happens to ref's who don't give pens there, even when they aren't penalties at all. Then we have the gerrard sending off. A clear red really, although perhaps had i been the ref i would have been slightly more lenient given the nature of the game as a derby. The real issue with that was the fact that here we have a ref giving a straight red for a kind of challenge which should, but soes not always, result in a red card, and the ref giving it was one who in another recent game thought trips, cynical stamps and karate kicks were perfectly acceptable challenges. You say it is a fact but it is not. I bet that Berbatov is not charged with diving by the FA, why? Because there is not conclusive evidence that he dived and it is, therefore, not a fact that he dived. I agree with your point about the linesman but not the ref. The ref was 25 yards (according to big Sam) away and he was in line with the incident. This amount of distance even if accurate is really not that far away. From his angle he could see that Agger lunged across, he could see that he did not get the ball and he could see that Berbatove went down. I understand 100% why he gave the penalty. If it was a dive (IMO video evidence is inconclusive) then be angry with Berbatov but for me the ref is not at fault for this one. |
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Post by hector on Jan 9, 2011 16:25:37 GMT
It's not inconclusive. Agger sticks out a leg, there is slight contact on Berbatov, and then he throws himself to the ground. He does dive.
Does anyone think that he is tripped, i.e. he tries to keep going but is unable to, due to the contact?? No. He feels the contact, and then throws himself to the ground. Whether that should be a penalty or not is a different matter, but the fact that he dives is literally not possible to argue with.
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