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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 14:32:59 GMT
seen the replay and I stand by what i said.
Just an after thought - you can be awarded a penalty for intent and anyone who doesn't think there was intent from agger to foul Berbatov is off their rocker.
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:33:45 GMT
Baldy yesterday: Dive Ken, dive. That's what he means. You know, when you're running along and whoops ! Down you go as if you've been taken out by a sniper in the front row. It basically means falling over without any proper contact.
Can you please explain to me what you consider proper contact?
There was the same amount of proper contact for Walcott's cheating yesterday as Berbatov's cheating today
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Post by junior1 on Jan 9, 2011 14:34:09 GMT
Didn't Liverpool get awarded a pen at anfield when gerrard hurdled a tackle? V Sheffield Utd..
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 9, 2011 14:34:23 GMT
OK, I've watched the replay as instructed. Why does he fall over? Watching the replay, he steps over Agger's challenge and his foot makes no contact. That's what would trip you. Any upper body contact? None that makes you fall like that. Give it up now boys. He cheated. If Allardyce isn't agreeing with Fergie, you know something blatant has happened.
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 14:34:56 GMT
Baldy yesterday: Dive Ken, dive. That's what he means. You know, when you're running along and whoops ! Down you go as if you've been taken out by a sniper in the front row. It basically means falling over without any proper contact.Can you please explain to me what you consider proper contact? There was the same amount of proper contact for Walcott's cheating yesterday as Berbatov's cheating today Don't be silly.
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:35:58 GMT
Baldy yesterday: Dive Ken, dive. That's what he means. You know, when you're running along and whoops ! Down you go as if you've been taken out by a sniper in the front row. It basically means falling over without any proper contact.Can you please explain to me what you consider proper contact? There was the same amount of proper contact for Walcott's cheating yesterday as Berbatov's cheating today Don't be silly. Why won't you answer? What constitutes proper contact?
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 14:36:41 GMT
OK, I've watched the replay as instructed. Why does he fall over? Watching the replay, he steps over Agger's challenge and his foot makes no contact. That's what would trip you. Any upper body contact? None that makes you fall like that. Give it up now boys. He cheated. If Allardyce isn't agreeing with Fergie, you know something blatant has happened. What you don't see aggers leg come out and knock Berbatov off balance ? Specsavers for you Monday.
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Post by kenskeen on Jan 9, 2011 14:37:43 GMT
The Baldy Dictionary. Some defintitions.
"Proper Contact" means the amount of contact (or lack of the same) to cause a Machester United player to fall over in the penalty area
"Common Sense" means whatever is beneficial to manchester United.
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 9, 2011 14:38:33 GMT
Man United friends text: "Wasn't a dive - certainly wasn't a penalty"
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:40:05 GMT
Man United friends text: "Wasn't a dive - certainly wasn't a penalty" I doubt he's a proper Man Utd fan like Baldy, so his opinion is invalid.
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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Jan 9, 2011 14:43:52 GMT
If Evra didn't get a penalty there, Berbatov shouldn't have got a penalty earlier. Very, very simple. Kelly stuck his leg in there too, but it wasn't rash by any stretch of the imagination. If penalties were given for niggling fouls, there would be 5 odd penalties a game (was it really even a niggling foul?). Howard Webb's caliber as a referee worries me.
This thread is beginning to ruin a decent game for me. Last contribution til after the match.
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Post by Simon Lill on Jan 9, 2011 14:44:09 GMT
Why isn't there half a dozen threads about Evra's dive already??
Could it be that it wasn't given??
Same 'crime', different decision, not a cheat??
I think the mods need to create a Berbatov Love-In sub category.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 9, 2011 14:44:40 GMT
Went down in installments, blatent dive.
What i would say is that you can see why he goes down, there is contact with the leg and if he had gone down at that point you could argue it was legit, the problem is that Berbatov takes another stride before he flings himself to the ground, thus blatent dive
Not surprised Baldy cant bring himself to admit it, par for the course with him.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 9, 2011 14:46:20 GMT
That's the whole point, he wasn't knocked off balance! He took another stride before falling over! That wouldn't have happened if contact had existed. Does the fact that nobody on here or in the media, having viewed replays, agrees with you not suggest that you're wrong?
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 9, 2011 14:47:45 GMT
Man United friends text: "Wasn't a dive - certainly wasn't a penalty" I doubt he's a proper Man Utd fan like Baldy, so his opinion is invalid. He's only a season ticket holder :/
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:51:43 GMT
I doubt he's a proper Man Utd fan like Baldy, so his opinion is invalid. He's only a season ticket holder :/ In the past Baldy has refused to accept the opinion of Man Utd fans who have been ST holders for 30 odd years because they have said something he doesn't agree with.
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 14:52:49 GMT
Why won't you answer? What constitutes proper contact? If two players are running side by side or close by then there will, by definition, be contact and one of those players must have made contact first but you can't really award spot kicks for that. Bodily contact cannot really justify a penalty - arms, shoulders touching etc. Now, when a player is moving with the ball at his feet and there is contact in the manner of a protruding leg from the defender then that is a clearly different scenario and any player is entitled to go down in that instance. Common sense sihath. Interpretation if you like, be a bit less mechanical and a bit more flexible in your interpretation of the football rule book.
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:53:26 GMT
seen the replay and I stand by what i said. Just an after thought - you can be awarded a penalty for intent and anyone who doesn't think there was intent from agger to foul Berbatov is off their rocker. You can read Aggers mind now? You know he intended to foul Beratov? OK I'm being Silly!
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Post by sihath on Jan 9, 2011 14:56:09 GMT
Why won't you answer? What constitutes proper contact? If two players are running side by side or close by then there will, by definition, be contact and one of those players must have made contact first but you can't really award spot kicks for that. Bodily contact cannot really justify a penalty - arms, shoulders touching etc. Now, when a player is moving with the ball at his feet and there is contact in the manner of a protruding leg from the defender then that is a clearly different scenario and any player is entitled to go down in that instance. Common sense sihath. Interpretation if you like, be a bit less mechanical and a bit more flexible in your interpretation of the football rule book. If Berbatov had gone down when the "contact" took place there would be no more than a couple of posts on the subject. That he continued to run and then "went down" is the issue.
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 9, 2011 14:56:37 GMT
seen the replay and I stand by what i said. Just an after thought - you can be awarded a penalty for intent and anyone who doesn't think there was intent from agger to foul Berbatov is off their rocker. You can read Aggers mind now? You know he intended to foul Beratov? OK I'm being Silly! .... and I didn't see a trailing leg. Guess I must be f**king blind or silly or both.
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