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Post by seekeroftruth on Jan 5, 2011 16:03:33 GMT
Its been a while since the meeting with the owner and the Oxvox committee. Any sign of the minutes yet???
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Post by mcf86 on Jan 5, 2011 16:22:40 GMT
Its been a while since the meeting with the owner and the Oxvox committee. Any sign of the minutes yet??? Are you an OxVox member? |
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Post by Eric Read on Jan 5, 2011 16:50:14 GMT
Its been a while since the meeting with the owner and the Oxvox committee. Any sign of the minutes yet??? Are you an OxVox member? Don't know if he is, but I am, and I'm not impressed with how long these minutes are taking. So what is the bloody hold up?  ?? |
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 5, 2011 20:01:33 GMT
Don't know if he is, but I am, and I'm not impressed with how long these minutes are taking. So what is the bloody hold up? ?? Ditto Eric- are they minutes or months they are preparing? |
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Post by oufc1975 on Jan 5, 2011 23:00:17 GMT
They must need editing to create the right impression?? You can predict what they will say
1) You cant judge the lack of youth team players that have come through as we awere in the conference without funding - allowing another 5 years before judgement.
2) I dont want or nee to sell the club an my sons are fully committed so it would take a silly offer to tempt me to sell circa £5 million plus.
3) We can get promoted within 2 years be a championship team in 5 years but there are no guarantees.
4) We will buy the stadium within the next 2 years no concrete details or plans will be supplied because they have not seriously progressed it other than working out they could get a bank loan.
5) The club wont be happy with the IL thread and will advise that it is all scare mongering and factually incorrect
6) They have received no concrete offers for the club and no suprise if £5million is the asking price as it isnt even worth half that!
7) THe club will receive no more investment from IL for whatever reason - likely reason anything from no spare funds to club should be self sufficient.
You can write the script guys we dont need the notes its all predictable. The club is mid table doing o.k. gates are good, there is a lack of funds to back any serious ambition and we have a club that may make slow progress as our budgets wont compete in league 1 are average for league 2 which will not allow us to compete so we will need an unbelievable astute manager on a low budget with a super marketing team to maximise the club revenue to get us where we want to be - the championship! Likely??? Have wean owner giving us a true picture??? The notes on the ground and his comments regarding the IL thread will tell us!!
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Post by scoob on Jan 6, 2011 0:42:15 GMT
Don't know if he is, but I am, and I'm not impressed with how long these minutes are taking. So what is the bloody hold up? ?? Ditto Eric- are they minutes or months they are preparing? Ditto - if the minutes were sent to IL in Wigan maybe the homing pidgeon has got lost. How long can it take to read a few pages then send an email that they are ok or with amendments? |
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Post by junior1 on Jan 6, 2011 4:56:41 GMT
This is where IMO oxvox fails the everyday fan, if it's IL holding things up come out and say so et least the relevant stick can be dished out in the right direction..
Also, has Anyone posted this on the oxvox forum?
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Post by seekeroftruth on Jan 6, 2011 7:52:25 GMT
Its been a while since the meeting with the owner and the Oxvox committee. Any sign of the minutes yet??? Are you an OxVox member? YES, but even if I was not, as a paying supporter of Oxford United I have the right to know what the owner has planned for my club. |
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Post by seekeroftruth on Jan 6, 2011 7:53:45 GMT
They must need editing to create the right impression?? You can predict what they will say 1) You cant judge the lack of youth team players that have come through as we awere in the conference without funding - allowing another 5 years before judgement. 2) I dont want or nee to sell the club an my sons are fully committed so it would take a silly offer to tempt me to sell circa £5 million plus. 3) We can get promoted within 2 years be a championship team in 5 years but there are no guarantees. 4) We will buy the stadium within the next 2 years no concrete details or plans will be supplied because they have not seriously progressed it other than working out they could get a bank loan. 5) The club wont be happy with the IL thread and will advise that it is all scare mongering and factually incorrect 6) They have received no concrete offers for the club and no suprise if £5million is the asking price as it isnt even worth half that! 7) THe club will receive no more investment from IL for whatever reason - likely reason anything from no spare funds to club should be self sufficient. You can write the script guys we dont need the notes its all predictable. The club is mid table doing o.k. gates are good, there is a lack of funds to back any serious ambition and we have a club that may make slow progress as our budgets wont compete in league 1 are average for league 2 which will not allow us to compete so we will need an unbelievable astute manager on a low budget with a super marketing team to maximise the club revenue to get us where we want to be - the championship! Likely??? Have wean owner giving us a true picture??? The notes on the ground and his comments regarding the IL thread will tell us!! It would appear that the mins are being worked on before they are released to the public. You will be proved right with your predictions, methinks. |
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Post by Brahma Bull on Jan 6, 2011 9:13:23 GMT
Ian Lenagan has the notes and OxVox are waiting patiently for them to be returned, of which we may even see them back today or tomorrow. To that end, Ian Lenagan received the minutes on the 17th December, a week after the meeting took place. It would have been great to receive them by now but he is entitled to read and digest them.
He has actually been in receipt of them for 9 working days due to Christmas, New Year and Bank Holidays.
OxVox doesn't fail its members Junior and works bloody hard to get answers to issues like this (this is the first time we have met with our owner since he took the club on) and to other forum issues which people demand answers too.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 6, 2011 9:23:47 GMT
I didn't say you failed your members, I said everyday fan or non members if you prefer.
Members would know how slow IL is when it comes to this kind of thing . The point I was trying to make was oxvox shouldn't wait for this kind of thread it should say what you just said about dates etc..
P.S got any wilder masks left!
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Post by Eric Read on Jan 6, 2011 10:31:03 GMT
They must need editing to create the right impression?? You can predict what they will say 1) You cant judge the lack of youth team players that have come through as we awere in the conference without funding - allowing another 5 years before judgement. 2) I dont want or nee to sell the club an my sons are fully committed so it would take a silly offer to tempt me to sell circa £5 million plus. 3) We can get promoted within 2 years be a championship team in 5 years but there are no guarantees. 4) We will buy the stadium within the next 2 years no concrete details or plans will be supplied because they have not seriously progressed it other than working out they could get a bank loan. 5) The club wont be happy with the IL thread and will advise that it is all scare mongering and factually incorrect 6) They have received no concrete offers for the club and no suprise if £5million is the asking price as it isnt even worth half that! 7) THe club will receive no more investment from IL for whatever reason - likely reason anything from no spare funds to club should be self sufficient. You can write the script guys we dont need the notes its all predictable. The club is mid table doing o.k. gates are good, there is a lack of funds to back any serious ambition and we have a club that may make slow progress as our budgets wont compete in league 1 are average for league 2 which will not allow us to compete so we will need an unbelievable astute manager on a low budget with a super marketing team to maximise the club revenue to get us where we want to be - the championship! Likely??? Have wean owner giving us a true picture??? The notes on the ground and his comments regarding the IL thread will tell us!! I think what you say is exactly what will happen. IL has had the notes for three weeks now. Irrespective of Christmas, he has had ample time to read and agree them. Obviously if (as is rumoured!) he is making several amendments, then this will take longer. But three weeks? ? It is indicative to me that OUFC, and it's supporters, are not featuring very high on his list of priorities, otherwise why the delay? |
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Post by SuperOx on Jan 6, 2011 11:29:32 GMT
To be fair to IL - a person very close to him was involved in the M40 coach accident before Xmas and so he has had other pressing matters on his mind over the Christmas break.
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Post by Brahma Bull on Jan 6, 2011 12:24:03 GMT
Junior you said everyday fan and as a Committee Member (or even just trust member for that matter) I include myself in that group.
We represent our membership but we have become very good at representing non-members too and you only have to see this forum to see people who claim they aren't members of the Supporters Trust or don't like it or claim we don't represent them yet want answers to their queries and concerns. It has always been easy for people to have a quick dig at the Supporters Trust and criticise as they see fit.
Let me provide some examples. The police situation this season is a prime example plus the extensive work and effort put in by people to talk and help Amanda Jacks from the FSF. We also have been in touch with TVP, Cambridgeshire Police and Worcestershire police about away day matters. We had members and non-members wanting to ask questions of Mr Lenagan and I and others asked them for you. We did a 5000 strong petition, we've tried to improve our stadium and matchday environment, we have organised the entire 12th Man initiative. That is just a few examples - that wasn't all done for OxVox members only, it was for everyone's benefit.
Ian Lenagan has had the notes for no more than 9 working days, that's if he worked in betweeen Christmas and New Year. The answers are coming and then everyone can have a debate about them but let's not continually bash OxVox, eh?
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Post by Maurice Earp on Jan 6, 2011 13:21:34 GMT
Good Post BB, Good Post.
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Post by browny on Jan 6, 2011 13:32:03 GMT
If the notes are simply the Oxvox delegations view of the meeting, can we understand why they have to be approved/amended by Ian Lenegan
I would have expected him to trust you to represent the meeting fairly, if not then you would simply stop any cooperation and that is not what Oxvox are about
Seems to me there is no reason not to publish your view of a meeting. I guess no-one will ever know which bits are taken out but it certainly doesn't suggest there is any level of trust going on here and given that Lenegan has owned the club for 5 years that is a bit of a worry
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Post by slappy on Jan 6, 2011 13:41:07 GMT
They must need editing to create the right impression?? You can predict what they will say 1) You cant judge the lack of youth team players that have come through as we awere in the conference without funding - allowing another 5 years before judgement. supported and financed the youth development for 2 years on reduced funding and the next 2 years on no league or FA funding
2) I dont want or nee to sell the club an my sons are fully committed so it would take a silly offer to tempt me to sell circa £5 million plus.
would want to recover the money loaned interest free and unpaid time invested over 5 years3) We can get promoted within 2 years be a championship team in 5 years but there are no guarantees. but won't put the club's financial position in jeopardy doing so4) We will buy the stadium within the next 2 years no concrete details or plans will be supplied because they have not seriously progressed it other than working out they could get a bank loan. discussions ongoing5) The club wont be happy with the IL thread and will advise that it is all scare mongering and factually incorrect Not sure how much is incorrect, maybe biased in terms of some posters - would be surprised if the thread was mentioned 6) They have received no concrete offers for the club and no suprise if £5million is the asking price as it isnt even worth half that! see Q5 - I guess no-one has seriously approached them in a better position to take the club forward.
7) The club will receive no more investment from IL for whatever reason - likely reason anything from no spare funds to club should be self sufficient.
The club has turned the tide of losses of nearly £1m per year which would leave the club bust, and got promoted back to the League. Similar with Wigan RL and won title. Won't rule out investment where necessary and justifiedYou can write the script guys we dont need the notes its all predictable. The club is mid table doing o.k. gates are good, there is a lack of funds to back any serious ambition and we have a club that may make slow progress as our budgets wont compete in league 1 are average for league 2 which will not allow us to compete so we will need an unbelievable astute manager on a low budget with a super marketing team to maximise the club revenue to get us where we want to be - the championship! Likely??? Have wean owner giving us a true picture??? The notes on the ground and his comments regarding the IL thread will tell us!! Perhaps IL has been on holiday over Christmas and taken time off with his family; or is attending to other businesses which need his day-to-day involvement; perhaps the minutes announce money for the transfer window and that needs to be kept quiet. Or he has been dealing with the staff walk-outs in priority, or needs to get the Board of Directors together to review the minutes. Anyway, posting a set of answers which are basically a rehash of stuff they already told us in fans forums and an Oxvox meeting with KT, when most of us don't even know what questions were asked, is presumably so you can say "TOLD YOU SO". Would be interesting if anything new actually turns up. At least Oxvox arranged the meeting and asked the questions. |
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Post by Eric Read on Jan 6, 2011 14:05:16 GMT
Just for clarity, as someone who has commented on this thread, my frustration is with IL, not with Oxvox per se.
However, I would be dissappointed if Oxvox allowed IL to edit their minutes too much, ending up with an inaccurate, or sanitised, view of the meeting.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jan 6, 2011 14:47:28 GMT
It's not unusual for minutes to remain unapproved for way beyond 9 working days in a corporate environment.
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Post by Eric Read on Jan 6, 2011 14:59:42 GMT
That may well be the case, Ricky, but this is not your average corporate environment. In that environment several thousand people are not waiting for a set of minutes to be approved, not to mention the local media etc.
This is an information hungry/media influenced/goldfish bowl of a business. Furthermore, these minutes carry great significance, as they are the minutes from our owner's first meeting (in five years!!!) with his club's fan group committee. Now if he doesn't understand the reason why so many people are intersted in these minutes, perhaps he needs it spelled out to him? How about:
"We want to know, Ian, what your view on the future of our club is. I know you read this message board, so pull your finger out and get the minutes sorted, as it's beginning to look as if you don't care.....and we don't want that old boy, do we?"
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