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Post by Yellow Ledbetter on Oct 11, 2010 20:00:17 GMT
YES
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Post by Simon Lill on Oct 11, 2010 20:08:41 GMT
YES!
When we first moved to the Kass I was singled out and slated by my fellow fan for publicly voicing my opinion on everyone sitting in the OM stand. Overnight we'd gone from the London Road to the opera and it seemed at the time that only me and my mates had noticed.
I was called all manner of names and even lost my ST for the remainder of the season cos of my apparent over reaction to the death of our once formidable atmosphere.
Seems that finally everyone else has come to the same conclusion.
The Kass will never be The Manor and the OM stand will never ever be the London Road but we can do our best to make the atmos as good as poss.
Stand up if you love Oxford!
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Post by Simon Lill on Oct 11, 2010 20:10:21 GMT
Sorry...yes
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Post by Wright for England on Oct 11, 2010 20:14:04 GMT
1000% YES
I'm right behind this
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Post by Amersham Dave on Oct 11, 2010 20:19:34 GMT
I promise, just like with Tess - I WON'T let you all down if (and it's got to be a big number) if enough say 'YES!'
My attitude has always been: It's better to try and fail, than fail to try.
I don't like failing! Yes or no please.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Oct 11, 2010 20:20:11 GMT
It comes up with adress not valid Boris. I'm clinging desperately for some common sense at football, let those who want to stand, stand. If ever our fourth stand is built it should be a safe terrace like they have in Germany and other enlightened places of the world. Terrace culture is fantastic, I feel sorry for the younger Oxford fans who never knew the magic of the London Road. Yes to bring that back even if it's only in some small way.
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Post by Long John Silver on Oct 11, 2010 20:22:38 GMT
It comes up with adress not valid Boris. I'm clinging desperately for some common sense at football, let those who want to stand, stand. If ever our fourth stand is built it should be a safe terrace like they have in Germany and other enlightened places of the world. Terrace culture is fantastic, I feel sorry for the younger Oxford fans who never knew the magic of the London Road. Yes to bring that back even if it's only in some small way. You should all read these... www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safestanding.phpwww.fsf.org.uk/media/uploaded/safe-standing-report-web.pdf
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TC
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Post by TC on Oct 11, 2010 20:28:16 GMT
YES
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Post by Amersham Dave on Oct 11, 2010 20:32:55 GMT
So far, I make that 19 yes, 1 joke about Swinedon and 1 no. Yes or no please.
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Post by ConcreteBob on Oct 11, 2010 20:47:07 GMT
Yes.
But it'll be hard to see it happening in this day and age.
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Post by yellowsubmarine on Oct 11, 2010 20:57:31 GMT
Yes!
4th stand to be standing, if/when...
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Post by Amersham Dave on Oct 11, 2010 21:00:40 GMT
20 yes! 2 no! 1 joke about Swindon (no then)
keep voting yes or no
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oggie
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Post by oggie on Oct 11, 2010 21:19:17 GMT
A massive YES. Would love our own standing section very much!
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Toeby
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Post by Toeby on Oct 11, 2010 21:52:29 GMT
Yes x 3
Count me, my brother and Simon Jordan in.
This is what Simon Jordan said 5 years ago:
"The Football Licensing Authority tell clubs to force fans to sit down, or face having sections of seating closed. It's bizarre that clubs should be financially punished. OK, if I was going on the Tannoy and demanding our fans stand up for 90 minutes then fine, charge me, take action against us. But if I'm trying to do the exact opposite - trying everything reasonable - what then? Stewards constantly ask fans to sit, and we've even tried writing to repeat offenders threatening to withdraw tickets - a ridiculous threat for a business to have to make to its customers: stop enjoying my product.
It's so unrealistic. If the away fans, over whom we have no jurisdiction, stand and scream abuse all match, are the FLA really expecting home fans to bite their lips, sit still and ignore it? They need to explain two things: 1) How long is it all right to stand up for, under FLA guidelines? Which bean counter defines that? Should we have someone with a stopwatch telling us how long we're allotted for standing after a goal, or during a red card or a sustained attack? 2) Exactly what other measures do they suggest clubs take?
I'm lost for ideas. Maybe they'd like to install seat belts for away fans, with airline-style stewards making sure belts are on at all times. And shouldn't there be a campaign under FLA guidelines to ban the Mexican wave? It's our responsibility to adhere to the regulations that are in place, but what if they're unenforcable? The only way to sort out this mess is to acknowledge that safe standing areas are not only realistic, but desirable. After a disaster as horrific as Hillsborough, lessons are learned, reassessed and learned again. It's 16 years since that day, since 96 fans went into a ground to stand up and cheer their team, and didn't come out again because of a series of gross, fatal mistakes. It was a sickening waste of life - an event no one in this country will ever forget. But in those 16 years, so much has changed, so much has progressed.
New evidence suggests the difference in safety between small, controlled, well-engineered standing zones and seating is negligible. Some studies suggest restrictive seating is actually more dangerous. And when people jump up out of their seats, you get more movement in the stadium structure than you do if people are consistently standing. Advances with the science behind safe standing zones and crowd dynamics are immense. It already works in Germany, and clubs, police and stewards understand their health and safety responsibilities like never before. With safe standing zones, capacities go up, standing prices are cheaper, and younger fans are drawn to the buzz."
Call the man what you want, but he certainly seems to know football fans better than the people who make the decisions. This kind of shit came straight out of the Lord Justice Taylor's Report post Hillsborough:
"There is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control. But I am satisfied that seating does more to achieve those objectives than any other single measure."
As well as:
"It is obvious that sitting for the duration of the match is more comfortable than standing. It is also safer. When a spectator is seated he has his own small piece of territory in which he can feel reasonably secure. He will not be in close physical contact with those around him. He will not be jostled or moved about by swaying or surging. Small, infirm or elderly men and women as well as young children are not buffeted, smothered or un-sighted by large and more robust people, as on the terraces."
Are the Lord Justice Taylor and the rest of his completely out of touch mates the best people to make these decisions? No, of course not, social control at its finest I tell ya!
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Post by Simmeister14 on Oct 11, 2010 22:04:34 GMT
YES.
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Post by Amersham Dave on Oct 11, 2010 22:29:27 GMT
Yes x 3 Count me, my brother and Simon Jordan in. This is what Simon Jordan said 5 years ago: "The Football Licensing Authority tell clubs to force fans to sit down, or face having sections of seating closed. It's bizarre that clubs should be financially punished. OK, if I was going on the Tannoy and demanding our fans stand up for 90 minutes then fine, charge me, take action against us. But if I'm trying to do the exact opposite - trying everything reasonable - what then? Stewards constantly ask fans to sit, and we've even tried writing to repeat offenders threatening to withdraw tickets - a ridiculous threat for a business to have to make to its customers: stop enjoying my product.
It's so unrealistic. If the away fans, over whom we have no jurisdiction, stand and scream abuse all match, are the FLA really expecting home fans to bite their lips, sit still and ignore it? They need to explain two things: 1) How long is it all right to stand up for, under FLA guidelines? Which bean counter defines that? Should we have someone with a stopwatch telling us how long we're allotted for standing after a goal, or during a red card or a sustained attack? 2) Exactly what other measures do they suggest clubs take?
I'm lost for ideas. Maybe they'd like to install seat belts for away fans, with airline-style stewards making sure belts are on at all times. And shouldn't there be a campaign under FLA guidelines to ban the Mexican wave? It's our responsibility to adhere to the regulations that are in place, but what if they're unenforcable? The only way to sort out this mess is to acknowledge that safe standing areas are not only realistic, but desirable. After a disaster as horrific as Hillsborough, lessons are learned, reassessed and learned again. It's 16 years since that day, since 96 fans went into a ground to stand up and cheer their team, and didn't come out again because of a series of gross, fatal mistakes. It was a sickening waste of life - an event no one in this country will ever forget. But in those 16 years, so much has changed, so much has progressed.
New evidence suggests the difference in safety between small, controlled, well-engineered standing zones and seating is negligible. Some studies suggest restrictive seating is actually more dangerous. And when people jump up out of their seats, you get more movement in the stadium structure than you do if people are consistently standing. Advances with the science behind safe standing zones and crowd dynamics are immense. It already works in Germany, and clubs, police and stewards understand their health and safety responsibilities like never before. With safe standing zones, capacities go up, standing prices are cheaper, and younger fans are drawn to the buzz."Call the man what you want, but he certainly seems to know football fans better than the people who make the decisions. This kind of shit came straight out of the Lord Justice Taylor's Report post Hillsborough: "There is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control. But I am satisfied that seating does more to achieve those objectives than any other single measure."As well as: "It is obvious that sitting for the duration of the match is more comfortable than standing. It is also safer. When a spectator is seated he has his own small piece of territory in which he can feel reasonably secure. He will not be in close physical contact with those around him. He will not be jostled or moved about by swaying or surging. Small, infirm or elderly men and women as well as young children are not buffeted, smothered or un-sighted by large and more robust people, as on the terraces."Are the Lord Justice Taylor and the rest of his completely out of touch mates the best people to make these decisions? No, of course not, social control at its finest I tell ya! Brilliant work, toeby!
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Post by malcolmnl on Oct 12, 2010 4:35:39 GMT
Yes.
Provided nobody's view get blocked. The correct way to do this is safe standing areas with not seats behind.
ps I sit now after many years in the London Road so you can figure out that the sitting has to do with age and not the wish.
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Post by rambler on Oct 12, 2010 6:35:47 GMT
Yes
Never did like sitting at footie
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Post by bigman2 on Oct 12, 2010 6:57:24 GMT
Yes!!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 12, 2010 7:54:29 GMT
Yes
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