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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 19, 2011 13:18:55 GMT
Not read much of this thread so apologies if it's been mentioned but brighton's new stadium will have terracing, also remember they are top of l1 at the moment and still going ahead with it.... fb.me/SOFkTsIYU I think they are talking about terracing as the concrete steps before the seating is bolted in position. Posts on a Brighton forum say it's all seating, as does Wikipedia.
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 19, 2011 13:39:33 GMT
Or a Premiership or Championship fixture. So for any club that has this type of arrangement the only 'expense' needed if the club moves from League one to championship (or vice versa) is to unlock the seats. Is that right? Not quite true, as we have spent 3 seasons in the top two tiers since the Taylor report, the law says we are not allowed to have any form of standing at our ground currently, no matter what league we are in. I believe Sc*nthorpe are in the same boat after this season, even if they do get relegated. Which is why the new bill is so important to us and why everyone should write to their MP to support it.Exactly
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 19, 2011 14:02:15 GMT
sarge 1 Who said anything about 2nd class citiziens, i treat all people as equals.I agree there are lots of festivals ie Glastonbury but they dont have terracing do they.Buses trains have to many people standing wait until we have an accident then the blame culture starts.i do not have a problem with fans standing. Why dont you ask Oxford if they can make an area at the back of the Oxford Mail Stand for standing only.There is a section at the back that is partitioned off maybe that could be opened as a trial. All i am trying to point out is the pitfalls concerning standing up, yes it could be done if money is spent but unfortunateley that is in short supply with most clubs and with this countrys health and safety policies and claim culture i cant see it happening. It has already happened at Morcambe with their new stadium- Don Foster MP's 10 minute bill will hopefully remove the requirement, (and misconception that it its a safety requirement),for all seater. All options are under discussion- the future option of building the West stand, once the club own the stadium, gives a degree of flexibility regarding a variety of options for implimenting and incorperating safe standing. re music venues, a number are in converted old cinemas, often with steeply sloping floors on which the punters stand- and they receive safety certificates from the relevant authorities to stage entertainment events- why should football be treated any differently to any other form of entertainment that attracts large amounts of members of the paying public. As for public trasport, my point is it apparently, as it is legally permitted, safe to stand on a moving vehicle, yet not so while watching a footy match. What seems obvious to me is that footy fans were targeted by the previous Tory goverments for reasons other than safety, while hiding behind ( false) claims that it was a safety requirement yet NOT imposing the need to be seated at any other forms of spectator sport or for that matter entertainment events. Didnt add up up at the time and still doesnt now- German football clubs, unlike the money obsessed Premiership clubs in England, challenged the European dictat for all seater stadiums at football, hence in Germany the rail seating style ofsafe standing has become something of a blueprint for safe standing at football stadiums across europe, while retaining the option to host European club championship matches under Euafa's current requirements. I understand that currently, (though with the Don Foster MP bill things may change), clubs cannot as it , err, stands revert to terracing ( even the safe standing variety) in stands that are all seater. That said, the concept of a terraced area behind a seating area is one of the many subjects being investigated as a potential solution to giving footy fans what we really want.
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Post by Amersham Dave on Jan 19, 2011 16:38:57 GMT
Everything you've put on this post is spot on, Sarge. Originally, seats were forced upon us as a punishment, more than a safety issue. Football fans want to stand and watch. Some want to sit down and watch. But far more want to stand than sit. END OF.
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Post by loveandpride on Jan 19, 2011 16:48:16 GMT
sarge 1 Who said anything about 2nd class citiziens, i treat all people as equals.I agree there are lots of festivals ie Glastonbury but they dont have terracing do they.Buses trains have to many people standing wait until we have an accident then the blame culture starts.i do not have a problem with fans standing. Why dont you ask Oxford if they can make an area at the back of the Oxford Mail Stand for standing only.There is a section at the back that is partitioned off maybe that could be opened as a trial. All i am trying to point out is the pitfalls concerning standing up, yes it could be done if money is spent but unfortunateley that is in short supply with most clubs and with this countrys health and safety policies and claim culture i cant see it happening. It has already happened at Morcambe with their new stadium- Don Foster MP's 10 minute bill will hopefully remove the requirement, (and misconception that it its a safety requirement),for all seater. All options are under discussion- the future option of building the West stand, once the club own the stadium, gives a degree of flexibility regarding a variety of options for implimenting and incorperating safe standing. re music venues, a number are in converted old cinemas, often with steeply sloping floors on which the punters stand- and they receive safety certificates from the relevant authorities to stage entertainment events- why should football be treated any differently to any other form of entertainment that attracts large amounts of members of the paying public. As for public trasport, my point is it apparently, as it is legally permitted, safe to stand on a moving vehicle, yet not so while watching a footy match. What seems obvious to me is that footy fans were targeted by the previous Tory goverments for reasons other than safety, while hiding behind ( false) claims that it was a safety requirement yet NOT imposing the need to be seated at any other forms of spectator sport or for that matter entertainment events. Didnt add up up at the time and still doesnt now- German football clubs, unlike the money obsessed Premiership clubs in England, challenged the European dictat for all seater stadiums at football, hence in Germany the rail seating style ofsafe standing has become something of a blueprint for safe standing at football stadiums across europe, while retaining the option to host European club championship matches under Euafa's current requirements. I understand that currently, (though with the Don Foster MP bill things may change), clubs cannot as it , err, stands revert to terracing ( even the safe standing variety) in stands that are all seater. That said, the concept of a terraced area behind a seating area is one of the many subjects being investigated as a potential solution to giving footy fans what we really want. Because it has a history of people fighting each other?
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Post by Yellowbrains on Jan 19, 2011 19:44:27 GMT
Here's a fun quote from the Henley Centre for Forecasting (behind the FA's Blueprint for Football in 1991):
“In the 1990s and beyond, patterns of affluence and the associated fragmentation of circumstances and interests may make it almost impossible to formulate any leisure activity as a truly mass market one…. The implication is that hard choices have to be made as to the consumer segment to which the offer is to be targeted, and hence the ingredients of that offer…. The response of most sectors has been to move upmarket so as to follow the affluent 'middle class' consumer in his or her pursuits and aspirations. We strongly suggest that there is a message in this for football and particularly for the design of stadia for the future.”
It's for our safety? Yeah right.
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Post by Amersham Dave on Jan 20, 2011 8:15:07 GMT
Here's a fun quote from the Henley Centre for Forecasting (behind the FA's Blueprint for Football in 1991): “In the 1990s and beyond, patterns of affluence and the associated fragmentation of circumstances and interests may make it almost impossible to formulate any leisure activity as a truly mass market one…. The implication is that hard choices have to be made as to the consumer segment to which the offer is to be targeted, and hence the ingredients of that offer…. The response of most sectors has been to move upmarket so as to follow the affluent 'middle class' consumer in his or her pursuits and aspirations. We strongly suggest that there is a message in this for football and particularly for the design of stadia for the future.” It's for our safety? Yeah right. Brilliant post that. Thanks mate, I've been saying that for 20 years!
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Post by Snake on Jan 20, 2011 17:37:33 GMT
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 20, 2011 19:35:14 GMT
thanks Snake, and yes it is well worth a read!
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Post by mrmilkcup on Jan 20, 2011 20:35:49 GMT
you cant enjoy the whole footy experience sat on your arse, i stand up watching at home for christ,s sake. we do need to get behind this. thats a YES by the way.
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 20, 2011 20:52:05 GMT
you cant enjoy the whole footy experience sat on your arse, i stand up watching at home for christ,s sake. we do need to get behind this. thats a YES by the way.
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Post by mrmilkcup on Jan 20, 2011 21:36:37 GMT
vulcan !!!!! enough of those RICH,S scrumpies, you cant stand anyway. so good to see tim has got a real drink in. keep up the good work all of you behind the bar.
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Post by mrmilkcup on Jan 20, 2011 21:45:22 GMT
hairy,,, thats a good point well put, the fans are always gonna get the blame no matter what happens.
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