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Post by Ricky Otto on Jul 27, 2010 10:46:02 GMT
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Post by oxun on Jul 27, 2010 10:56:53 GMT
You are right imo Ricky is very interesting - im not jumping on the Danny C bandwagon i hope but i do find this bbc quote annoying "Mr Cameron said those who opposed EU membership were driven by protectionism, narrow nationalism or prejudice. " Is it really prejudicial to think that every time a new country is entered into EU that we tend to get flooded with people? Im probably wrong when you look at actual figures, i dont know, just didnt like that quote.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Jul 27, 2010 11:20:55 GMT
This has always been the Tory policy. As anti-federalists they want as big a EU as possible with weak central power. All Cameron's comments are to do with free trade as well as the military/NATO alliance, not to do with extending political power. The Turks won't be allowed to come here for a set period of time just as the Romanians and Bulgarians were excepted from free movement. Anyway the UK didn't sign Schengen. The people most hostile to the Turks joining are the people who want a strong EU project - i.e. France and Germany.
It's all bullshit anyway. Let them come if they want to come.
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Jul 27, 2010 11:39:07 GMT
Doesn't Germany have a high population of Turkish descent?
Maybe, and I appreciate this may seem a radicle idea, how about if people who were not born in this country didn't receive any kind of state benefit/support. They could still use hospitals and other services, but not be eligible for payouts of JSA or Child Benefit for a set period of time. Would this help with people allowing free flow of European citizens, and hopefully puts a deterant in place for those looking to move here for financial gain for nothing?
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jul 27, 2010 12:04:11 GMT
Only issue is that even with those controls, a flood of labour onto the job market, be it delayed or not, drives down salaries and increases the number of 'natives' for want of a better word, who are driven onto the dole if they are less skilled.
The Premiership is a warped but useful analogy of how suitable people get driven out of roles they could fill, and as such never fulfil to their potential as they take on lesser roles.
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Post by berliner on Jul 27, 2010 12:25:42 GMT
As someone who has lived in a predominantly Turkish area in the past and currently lives in a city swarming with them...I would advise Cameron and everyone else to fight AGAINST Turkey for the EU with all their might.
Fair play to the few who come over and integrate themselves into society...but this is balanced against frighteningly high levels of unemployment, unwillingness to work, 90% of classes filled with Turkish children who were born in Germany and can't string three words together in German, not to mention a level of anti-social behaviour you cannot even imagine.
Let Turkey in and Europe will be screwed, mark my words!
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Post by chris1986 on Jul 27, 2010 12:46:43 GMT
We already have the kebab, they have nothing more to contribute.
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Post by Agadoo on Jul 27, 2010 13:12:39 GMT
Cameron is trying to get allies within the EU as i'm not sure Britain has any. I also like his idea of forging links with China and India rather than just cosying up to the US like Bliar and Brown noser did
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Post by dannyc on Jul 28, 2010 9:06:26 GMT
ffs i dont beleive hes trying ot bring a coutry like turkey into europe think of the millions refugess we will get from turkey it will only increase the burden on the already heavily overdebt .
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Post by dannyc on Jul 28, 2010 9:25:48 GMT
i hope there will be some peaceful protests about it
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Jul 28, 2010 9:27:34 GMT
DannyC - I've been lost without your political insights.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jul 28, 2010 9:44:54 GMT
i hope there will be some peaceful protests about it You have to fight for Peace Danny. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jul 28, 2010 9:54:31 GMT
Does anyone know what that grafitti on the railway bridge after junction 16 clockwise on M25 mean "GIVE PEAS A CHANCE"
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Post by Agadoo on Jul 28, 2010 9:57:04 GMT
ffs i dont beleive hes trying ot bring a coutry like turkey into europe think of the millions refugess we will get from turkey it will only increase the burden on the already heavily overdebt . Not if Turkey were in the EU, all the refugees would have to claim refugee status in Turkey |
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Post by amarillo on Jul 28, 2010 10:32:34 GMT
Maybe, and I appreciate this may seem a radicle idea, how about if people who were not born in this country didn't receive any kind of state benefit/support. They could still use hospitals and other services, but not be eligible for payouts of JSA or Child Benefit for a set period of time. Would this help with people allowing free flow of European citizens, and hopefully puts a deterant in place for those looking to move here for financial gain for nothing? This is what I've always thought and it seems a simple solution I'm all for free movement of people around the EU, but you shouldn't be eligable for any benefits until you have paid taxes for several years. By ensuring that only those dedicated to working come here, the numbers are limited by demand and supply of jobs. Its only our ridiculously generous benefits system that causes more immigration than we need. |
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Post by dannyc on Jul 28, 2010 10:33:34 GMT
ffs i dont beleive hes trying ot bring a coutry like turkey into europe think of the millions refugess we will get from turkey it will only increase the burden on the already heavily overdebt . Not if Turkey were in the EU, all the refugees would have to claim refugee status in Turkey well whatever turkey isnt even in europe its a islamic state it has no right to be part of europe cameron will be very unpopular now because of this idea from the masses . |
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Post by amarillo on Jul 28, 2010 11:14:37 GMT
well whatever turkey isnt even in europe its a islamic state it has no right to be part of europe cameron will be very unpopular now because of this idea from the masses . Correct Turkey isn't in Europe (well most of it isn't) but its not an islamic state, it is secular. Burqas etc are banned in public places. The fact that most Turks are muslims is not relevant to it being part of Europe. The majority of Bosnians are muslims but no-one is arguing whether Bosnia is part of Europe. |
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Post by dannyc on Jul 28, 2010 11:58:57 GMT
so amarillo do you agree with cameron then
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Post by amarillo on Jul 28, 2010 12:06:46 GMT
so amarillo do you agree with cameron then not really I think the EU needs to sort out what direction its going in before it continues to expand. The larger it gets and the more diverse the countries that are part of it, the more difficult it gets to have closer ties - which I guess is what Cameron wants to prevent, but calling for a large Asian country to join the EU seems a bit of a silly way of showing his lack of support for closer union. |
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Post by Agadoo on Jul 28, 2010 20:21:42 GMT
My paper's commentary says cameron's motives are pro islamist to perhaps get the muslim community on side.
Anyway, Turkey will always be barred until they end their feud with Greece over Cyprus
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