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Post by saddletramp on Jan 13, 2011 9:20:28 GMT
Of football on TV is going to kill the game.
That and the cost of attending,(i was offered a ticket for spurs manure on sunday,cost price £75!)
My local shows a live game every saturday afternoon,i could have watched Ipswich,Afc wombles or hamilton last night.
And when the champs league returns you can watch every single game
on sky sports.
On a freezing midweek night,what shall i do,go out and defrost the car,
drive 16 miles to the coldest stadium in the country,spend £25 on
a ticket and sundries,watch Oxford huff and puff against against a team
that brings half a dozen fans and then sit in the car park for ages waiting to get out,
or,
crack open a tinnie,put my feet up and watch Arsenal and Barca,
no contest,
ill get my scraper,
But how many fans are now taking option 2.
There were 3,000 empty seats at OT against Stoke.
Liverpool had 35,000 against Bolton,there lowest Saturday crowd for
50 years.
And i noticed there was 1,900 at Torquay on Tuesday.
Im sorry but new fans are not coming,and old ones are leaving in droves.
I can see us being like Scotland in a few years time,last nights,
scottish premier games,Dundee utd motherwell 4,000.hamilton
against top of the league celtic 5,000.
Hamilton is 12 miles from Glasgow!
We are bucking the trend and long may it continue,but how many teams can say the same.
QPR top of the league all season are getting about 13,000
Brighton top of the league all season,cant fill a stadium that holds 8,750
Chesterfield top of the league,new stadium,6,000 crowds at the start
of the season,down to 4,000 against Torquay.
I really cant see how clubs can run full time squads on crowds of less than
2,000,how do they survive financially?
Final comment on saturation coverage,Sky this morning have shown
every 15 miutes the goals from last nights game between Threave rovers
and stenhousemuir,does anyone have any idea where these towns are?
The gate at the game, 250
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 13, 2011 9:32:48 GMT
It's not just the ticket prices that mean dwindling gates, though that obviously has an effect, it is that people are suffering higher fuel bills so have less disposable income. :-(
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Post by dabigfella on Jan 13, 2011 10:31:09 GMT
It's not just the ticket prices that mean dwindling gates, though that obviously has an effect, it is that people are suffering higher fuel bills so have less disposable income. :-( Higher EVERY bill.  |
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Post by scoob on Jan 13, 2011 10:59:55 GMT
Personally I rarely watch live football on tv because I do not enjoy the experience. Id rather do the 120 mile round trip to Oxford than sit in the warm watching the tv or take the short trip to brum, villa, coventry or west brom. you may be right about tv having some impact on crowds especially when teams are performing badly but if the overall package including price are right then people still turn up but live football is about more than watching a screen where the director decides what you see and hear let alone the other senses.
Do you know if overall crowds are down at the moment?
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 13, 2011 11:02:26 GMT
Does anyone think that people are starting to see through the plastic premier league, its false claims of being the best in the world, full of foreign cheats and totally over priced ?
I think this could mean that small clubs like us will get more supporters.
But the point of saturation is spot on, i have sky sports and espn etc and there are games on every night
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jan 13, 2011 12:27:16 GMT
agree with dbf, i've made loads of cutbacks but still my disposable income gets hammered. I swear the weekly shopping bill has doubled in the last couple of years.
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Post by Simon Lill on Jan 13, 2011 12:55:40 GMT
Does anyone think that people are starting to see through the plastic premier league, its false claims of being the best in the world, full of foreign cheats and totally over priced ? I think this could mean that small clubs like us will get more supporters. But the point of saturation is spot on, i have sky sports and espn etc and there are games on every night Given that us Sky customers pay to watch football, why would you be disappointed that you have choice?? But lets be honest, the reduction in attendances has nothing to do with Tv coverage and everything to do with the increase in cost of living; the vast majority of football fans in this country hardly ever see their team on Sky. |
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 13, 2011 13:31:50 GMT
Does anyone think that people are starting to see through the plastic premier league, its false claims of being the best in the world, full of foreign cheats and totally over priced ? I think this could mean that small clubs like us will get more supporters. But the point of saturation is spot on, i have sky sports and espn etc and there are games on every night Given that us Sky customers pay to watch football, why would you be disappointed that you have choice?? But lets be honest, the reduction in attendances has nothing to do with Tv coverage and everything to do with the increase in cost of living; the vast majority of football fans in this country hardly ever see their team on Sky. Not saying i am bothered about having a choice, but with games being played so often for tv its means the fans have to forget Sat afternoons a lot of the time |
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Post by salaghaf on Jan 13, 2011 14:08:17 GMT
I must be bucking the trend.
My enthusiasm for live football on TV has dwindled this year. I am just not interested in the premier games anymore. I think that the lack of effort by most players at the world cup upset me more than anything. Most top players seem to have lost some of their motivation. To them it is just a highly paid job that they do not have to give 100%. If they underpeform they can simply walk into another club and pick up another 30k a week.
I have attended most Oxford games this year and the thought of driving 70 miles and spending a fortune to get there is totally outweighed by the excitement i get from being at the game.
Away games really are often quite special.
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Post by amarillo on Jan 13, 2011 14:28:52 GMT
I agree there is too much football on TV.
I would like to see all leagues cut down to 18 teams and the Champions and Europa leagues cut back. You can have too much of a good thing. As well as falling attendances we are also starting to see a decline in player performance at the World Cup, which should show the world best players at their best.
I also agree with ox4eva, I think people are finally starting to see through the ridiculous hype of the Premier league. The way SKY have marketed it as the best in the world is so cynical its unbelievable.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jan 13, 2011 15:23:34 GMT
At least its on sky, so if you want to reduce your saturation levels you just unsubscribe (and save a few quid to boot). To me fans fall into two camps: football fans and team fans (ie Oxford fans, Wrexham fans, etc). Personally I consider myself an Oxford fan. I'll happily watch Oxford but I cant watch football for the sake of it, I cant watch a game as a neutral so I cant see a situation where I would consider sky.
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 13, 2011 16:35:07 GMT
Try a different sport, there's alot to be said about women's netball, gets the juices flowing more than football ever could
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 13, 2011 16:43:23 GMT
I suppose to an extent it depends on whether you enjoy the matchday experience. If you just want to watch football but the 'live' experience doesn't attract you the natural option now is to watch it on TV. And lets face it, some of the grounds mentioned above: Torquay/Withdean etc aren't exactly the most welcoming places that make you feel you wan't to brave them on a freezing afternoon or evening.
I think at least part of the solution would be for clubs to make an effort at improving the whole experience that surrounds the on-pitch stuff. In the US people attend sports matches because they are in their own right 'events' as well as simply sports contests. Perhaps UK sports are not as well suited to this, I don't imagine a superbowl style half time show would go down all that well at the kasstad.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 13, 2011 17:05:08 GMT
Classic example of where the games going wrong.. Look at the tv games for the 4th round of the f.a cup..
The games are boring ( saints v man utd aside ) why pick everton v Chelsea and Fulham v tottenham??
Arsenal or Leeds v Huddersfield is the other live game
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Post by amarillo on Jan 13, 2011 17:26:34 GMT
At least its on sky, so if you want to reduce your saturation levels you just unsubscribe Reducing personal saturation levels is not really the point though, the argument is that saturation coverage is bad for the game and that affects everyone who is into football whether it is as a team fan or general football fan to use your distinctions. |
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Post by Sideshow Rob on Jan 13, 2011 19:10:13 GMT
Of football on TV is going to kill the game. That and the cost of attending,(i was offered a ticket for spurs manure on sunday,cost price £75!) My local shows a live game every saturday afternoon,i could have watched Ipswich,Afc wombles or hamilton last night. And when the champs league returns you can watch every single game on sky sports. On a freezing midweek night,what shall i do,go out and defrost the car, drive 16 miles to the coldest stadium in the country,spend £25 on a ticket and sundries,watch Oxford huff and puff against against a team that brings half a dozen fans and then sit in the car park for ages waiting to get out, or, crack open a tinnie,put my feet up and watch Arsenal and Barca, no contest, ill get my scraper, But how many fans are now taking option 2. There were 3,000 empty seats at OT against Stoke. Liverpool had 35,000 against Bolton,there lowest Saturday crowd for 50 years. And i noticed there was 1,900 at Torquay on Tuesday. Im sorry but new fans are not coming,and old ones are leaving in droves. I can see us being like Scotland in a few years time,last nights, scottish premier games,Dundee utd motherwell 4,000.hamilton against top of the league celtic 5,000. Hamilton is 12 miles from Glasgow! We are bucking the trend and long may it continue,but how many teams can say the same. QPR top of the league all season are getting about 13,000 Brighton top of the league all season,cant fill a stadium that holds 8,750 Chesterfield top of the league,new stadium,6,000 crowds at the start of the season,down to 4,000 against Torquay. I really cant see how clubs can run full time squads on crowds of less than 2,000,how do they survive financially? Final comment on saturation coverage,Sky this morning have shown every 15 miutes the goals from last nights game between Threave rovers and stenhousemuir,does anyone have any idea where these towns are? The gate at the game, 250 Stenhousemuir is on the east coast of Scotland roughly half way between Aberdeen and Dundee. Threave Rovers play in Castle Douglas in Dunfries and Galloway, according to Wikipedia. |
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Post by ConcreteBob on Jan 13, 2011 19:14:15 GMT
Scottish Football has always been poorly supported.
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Post by irishterrier on Jan 13, 2011 19:18:03 GMT
stuff the premiership! give me the bsp eny day! plastic fans on plastic seats! theve never had to stand at forest green and weight for the lights to come on again, or visit hayes and yeading ( nice strippers!) or histon ..i would not swap these days for their days!  |
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 13, 2011 19:21:58 GMT
Stenhousemuir is on the east coast of Scotland roughly half way between Aberdeen and Dundee. Threave Rovers play in Castle Douglas in Dunfries and Galloway, according to Wikipedia. Afraid not. Stenhousemuir is near Falkirk. |
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Post by wantageyellow on Jan 13, 2011 20:29:40 GMT
Totally agree with saturation point and I lay the blame solely on Sky
Before they came on the scene you would perhaps get one live match a weekend.
All they have done is payed millions of pounds which hasn't benefited the game but it has benefited the players, most of which are not worth £80,000 a year let alone a week.
This has a knock on effect in the lower leagues.
Take Mc Clean for example. will he come here for about a quarter of what he is getting at Plymouth? No chance
Financially he is better sitting in the reserves and seeing out his contract.
This is killing the game. One bright spot in the premiership (This is another Skyism, one would have thought football didn't exist before they came along) is Blackpool who refuse to pay the big wages, good for them.
Rant Over
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