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Post by OxfordUltras on Jan 18, 2011 18:18:38 GMT
When you are at 2.55 and there appears to be no-one there, either because they havn't made themselves known or because they were sitting, you have to make the choice. We made the choice to go back to our normal area where we could influence more than what we thought were 3 other people. If this was ever to happen again, alot more things need to happen than just a few words on a message board. Everyone should meet up before hand and not at 3, so you can have an idea of numbers. Then the Ultras need to organise that Not meaning to sound rude, but why'd we need to organise everything. People are quite capable of moving some where and then stan or sing. We wern't the ones that started the thread about this. The way I saw it from reading this is that people would go over and stand in the back couple of rows, and make themselves known. A couple did that, and they were infromed of what our plans were after we saw no-one else had turned up (or well what we thought) Even after we left, I'm pretty sure people are capable of singing without a bunch of kids, surely? It just seems everyone needs something else organising for them. |
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 18:43:16 GMT
The Ultras have a lot of support, but it needs everyone working together, not the Ultras distancing themselves from this thread, when all people want is to improve the atmosphere. You alienate yourselves from the rest of the fans by making comments like that. You would have a lot more success if you were a little less hostile to the normal fan. As i said, you have a lot of support, and could do something pretty good here, but its got to come from you if thats what you want.
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 18, 2011 18:54:33 GMT
I think there needs to be a GUARENTEE that people will sit there.
Instead of people wandering over to empty seats - trade your seats that way - there is nowhere else to go back to.
Would people be invited to stand at the middle/back just ANYWAY OU?
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Post by onlyoneunited on Jan 18, 2011 19:03:38 GMT
I agree with OxfordUltras, it's not fair to say "this is an issue of support therefore let's lump it all on the Ultras".
This thread highlights how people (away from the Ultras) feel enthusiastic about improving the atmosphere. Thinking back to Saturday, there were actually a fair few people in the top right about 10 mins before kick off, but for whatever reason - a lack of communciation, lack of belief, or both - people disappated.
Those people gathered after reading this small thread, largely innocuous on the forums at large. This shows there is potential.
Unfortunately Saturday will have killed a lot of the momentum built up by this thread and, coupled with the fantastic game (and therefore fantastic atmopshere), the urgency has also gone.
I suggest we pick a game a few months in advance and start promoting it now as a game where anyone wanting to create an atmosphere will meet in the top-right (I still think it's a strategic place). If we can organise some kind of leafletting on the day of the chosen game then those who have moved to sing will be apparent (removing the need for formal introductions which would put people off) as everyone there to sing will be clutching their leaflet.
Promotion can be via the forums, but also at home games.
Please bear in mind this is just me rambling off the top of my head so thoughts please? 8)
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:11:02 GMT
I agree with OxfordUltras, it's not fair to say "this is an issue of support therefore let's lump it all on the Ultras". This thread highlights how people (away from the Ultras) feel enthusiastic about improving the atmosphere. Thinking back to Saturday, there were actually a fair few people in the top right about 10 mins before kick off, but for whatever reason - a lack of communciation, lack of belief, or both - people disappated. Those people gathered after reading this small thread, largely innocuous on the forums at large. This shows there is potential. Unfortunately Saturday will have killed a lot of the momentum built up by this thread and, coupled with the fantastic game (and therefore fantastic atmopshere), the urgency has also gone. I suggest we pick a game a few months in advance and start promoting it now as a game where anyone wanting to create an atmosphere will meet in the top-right (I still think it's a strategic place). If we can organise some kind of leafletting on the day of the chosen game then those who have moved to sing will be apparent (removing the need for formal introductions which would put people off) as everyone there to sing will be clutching their leaflet. Promotion can be via the forums, but also at home games. Please bear in mind this is just me rambling off the top of my head so thoughts please? 8) Agree totally, but there is no one to do this. The Ultras are the only group who could maybe organise such a thing, but they seem reluctant |
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Post by onlyoneunited on Jan 18, 2011 19:13:41 GMT
Well let's not be defeatist. Anyone bothering to reply on here should help (i.e. you, me, Beav, the Ultras etc) Printing some leaflets and posting on a forum shouldn't be too hard  |
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 18, 2011 19:14:51 GMT
You basically single handedly set up Ultimate Support Saturday and asked for help here and there.
Unless i'm wrong?
We need to pick a date and have a guarentee of a seat in the top right corner. Don't even have to sit in the seat you bought- just so you have a seat in that section.
Then hopefully more would come over if we tried a second time. Then maybe it could be where the regulars buy their next ST seat
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:20:14 GMT
You basically single handedly set up Ultimate Support Saturday and asked for help here and there. Unless i'm wrong? We need to pick a date and have a guarentee of a seat in the top right corner. Don't even have to sit in the seat you bought- just so you have a seat in that section. Then hopefully more would come over if we tried a second time. Then maybe it could be where the regulars buy their next ST seat Yeah i did, but even though i had some support, it didnt really work out as even the Ultras distanced themselves from it. I was proud of what i achieved, getting it in the Oxford Mail, on the official website, going on radio Oxford etc. But despite this, i had very little support |
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Post by KidInTheRiot on Jan 18, 2011 19:26:35 GMT
Alot of people won't sing before 2.55 so by not giving it till after kick off how were you going to know if the section works?
On one hand you expected people to make themselves known to you and on the other you are questioning why it's up to the ultras to organise this?
The short answer is it's not up to you guys but then don't scarper 5mims before k.o. If no one has told you who they are
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Post by carefreeoufc on Jan 18, 2011 19:28:43 GMT
May I suggest Oxford vs Hereford on 26th Feb should be a good game I would have thought. I don't have a printer but am more than happy to knock up a couple of leaflet ideas and email them over to someone to print.
14:00 meet outside priory burger van to gauge numbers.
14:30-45 in the stands
Row Y down, was stood up there on sat on last 2 seats but still plenty of room to fill down.
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 18, 2011 19:28:52 GMT
Everyone can learn from Saturday if we try again.
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:34:53 GMT
May I suggest Oxford vs Hereford on 26th Feb should be a good game I would have thought. I don't have a printer but am more than happy to knock up a couple of leaflet ideas and email them over to someone to print. 14:00 meet outside priory burger van to gauge numbers. 14:30-45 in the stands Row Y down, was stood up there on sat on last 2 seats but still plenty of room to fill down. With regards to meeting before to see what the numbers are like, not many people will do that. Most will turn up at the ground and head for the right hand side. But at least your coming up with ideas, fair play |
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Post by wispa on Jan 18, 2011 19:37:11 GMT
Sorry John But we didnt distance our selfs from it did we? We pulled off a huge display for it. Anyway, no grudges held, Maybe saturday was a little to rushed, it can be tried again though. Carefreeoufc's plan sounds like a good'un.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Jan 18, 2011 19:37:12 GMT
^^^^^ I agree Beav, I have sat on the far right most of the season mid way and without a doubt up top it was the best atmosphere and busiest I have seen it. If we give it one push with a bit of organisation and meeting prior to kick off could be good.
I must admit I'm usually guilty of getting to my seat bang on 3 because the second cider is always a bit gassy.
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Post by onlyoneunited on Jan 18, 2011 19:40:24 GMT
That's my thoughts too, I think an organised meet is certainly something that could happen, but it should by no means be a necessary part of the day. This movement should be about getting the casual fans involved (and by casual I mean lazy ), like me! Hereford would give us three home games to promote this, I think that's feasible. It would mean we need the leaflets ready for a week Tuesday for the Shrewsbury match. |
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:43:44 GMT
Sorry John But we didnt distance our selfs from it did we? We pulled off a huge display for it. Anyway, no grudges held, Maybe saturday was a little to rushed, it can be tried again though. Carefreeoufc's plan sounds like a good'un. Some of you did, on another forum, and to me as well. From what i gathered, you (as in the Ultras) were only happy to do their own thing, and didnt want to be associated with what i was doing. With all the effort i put into that day, and it was a lot, i was impressed with the effort the Ultras put into the display. As ive said before, im a big supporter of the Ultras and feel you shuld get more credit than you have got for the things you have done. Certainly no grudges held |
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:44:49 GMT
That's my thoughts too, I think an organised meet is certainly something that could happen, but it should by no means be a necessary part of the day. This movement should be about getting the casual fans involved (and by casual I mean lazy ), like me! Hereford would give us three home games to promote this, I think that's feasible. It would mean we need the leaflets ready for a week Tuesday for the Shrewsbury match. Good work |
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Post by carefreeoufc on Jan 18, 2011 19:46:08 GMT
More than happy to have a go with a couple of leaflets they may be pretty basic but could knock them up and email them to someone by Friday.
Am away with work again next week so would have to do them before I left Sunday night if someone could print them perhaps?
I understand what you mean about getting the casuals involved but am sure a big group meeting up before the game and then in the stands would have a few people interested in joining
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Post by onlyoneunited on Jan 18, 2011 19:53:35 GMT
Let's do both! An organised meeting will be great to get a core of people to mingle and get to know eachother, however, I feel it's crucial to get as many people involved as possible so perhaps it can be more of a side note rather than a big part of the leaflet and promotions? Can I also make another suggestion (and tell me to get stuffed if you don't like my constant suggesting ), let's take our time. We've got over a week to knock these leaflets up ready for the Shrewsbury game, let's give it a day or two on these forums for ideas to brew. Some people don't log on every day and it would be good if everyone who is interested could have their say. I also think we should discuss exactly what we want to say on these leaflets and also how we want to say it. This is critical for getting the point across. |
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Post by John Lennon on Jan 18, 2011 19:55:26 GMT
There will be 4 of us moving over to the far right hand side if this happens. We will get to the ground just before 3pm
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