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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 5, 2010 8:19:47 GMT
So after nearly 6 months how do you feel the Coalition Government is doing?
Tough decisions to be made and sooner or later the cuts will really hurt.
Rough time ahead for most?
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Post by boris on Oct 5, 2010 8:46:05 GMT
The best thing about the coalition govt is all the disaffected Liberal voters will be turning to Labour at the next election cos of Clegg being such an arsewipe.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 5, 2010 13:01:07 GMT
Clegg has done ok though.
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Post by peterdevo on Oct 5, 2010 13:37:26 GMT
It is great to see the child allowance being removed from those who least need it.
Can't believe Labour are against it.
Labour under Milliband could be about to implode.
Clegg won't matter and the Conservatives will win easily next time
Not my ideal situation.
I would rather Nigel Farage have a huge majority
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Post by amarillo on Oct 5, 2010 13:59:37 GMT
I'm all for removing child allowance from wealthier people, but its crazy that a family with two 44k earners keep it whereas a family with one 45k earner loses it. It should be on total income surely?
I think the coalition has worked ok to be honest. There are as many divisions within the parties as there are between them.
My concern would be the scale of the cuts. I'm all for getting people off benefits and into work, but there has to be the work available.
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Post by Agadoo on Oct 5, 2010 14:04:15 GMT
The best thing about the coalition govt is all the disaffected Liberal voters will be turning to Labour at the next election cos of Clegg being such an arsewipe. Ah but will they? Labour have a leader their party didn't want, if they would have went for the more moderate David Milliband, Labour, as you rightly point out, would have scooped up all the disaffected liberals. They'll probably go Greens now.... |
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 5, 2010 14:24:36 GMT
I'm all for removing child allowance from wealthier people, but its crazy that a family with two 44k earners keep it whereas a family with one 45k earner loses it. It should be on total income surely? Agree, obviously hasn't been thought through properly, & the Government already have the figures they require via the family tax credits.I think the coalition has worked ok to be honest. There are as many divisions within the parties as there are between them. My gut feeling is that the Tory right wing will create the most problems in the coalition and will force an early election, the LibDems will suffer badly at the next General Election with Labour picking up their votes.My concern would be the scale of the cuts. I'm all for getting people off benefits and into work, but there has to be the work available. It appears to me that the coalition hasn't actually done anything yet, just a lot of talk about cuts and what they plan to do in the future, but I fully expect the next 2-3 years to be very difficult financially for many families. House prices will fall, inflation will continue to rise and wages will stagnate, Public Sector cuts to come, VAT rise in January, benefit cuts kicking in, strikes will become common place, riots and civil disobedience will increase. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 5, 2010 14:37:21 GMT
There has been a lot of talk agreed but these cuts take time to implement.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 5, 2010 15:44:59 GMT
It'll be either the voting reform bill or trident that will f#ck the coalition. The Conservatives won't wear the former while the Lib Dems wont wear the latter.
The really tragic thing is that once the coalition falls apart the conservatives will get in on their own in the general election which will follow.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 5, 2010 16:19:31 GMT
It'll be either the voting reform bill or trident that will f#ck the coalition. The Conservatives won't wear the former while the Lib Dems wont wear the latter. The really tragic thing is that once the coalition falls apart the conservatives will get in on their own in the general election which will follow. You don't know that. The electorate are prone to voting in a strange way. If you are prepared to put your house on a Tory victory, I might just risk a tenner and go with you. |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 5, 2010 17:13:08 GMT
It'll be either the voting reform bill or trident that will f#ck the coalition. The Conservatives won't wear the former while the Lib Dems wont wear the latter. The really tragic thing is that once the coalition falls apart the conservatives will get in on their own in the general election which will follow. You don't know that. The electorate are prone to voting in a strange way. If you are prepared to put your house on a Tory victory, I might just risk a tenner and go with you. When in the last 20 years have the electorate voted in any way other than that which was broadly expected? If the coalition falls apart the conservatives will win. The only way i can see this not coming to pass is if the cuts they are planning are sufficiently draconian that they put the electorate off, but even then there won't be anything Labour can do about that. Labour are in schtuck at the moment because they are still being blamed for the financial crisis, the hangover of Blair and Brown is still in full effect and they have just (not) elected a new leader who people know nothing about beyond tory propaganda about him being a commie. |
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Post by Agadoo on Oct 5, 2010 20:13:59 GMT
I'm all for removing child allowance from wealthier people, but its crazy that a family with two 44k earners keep it whereas a family with one 45k earner loses it. It should be on total income surely? Agree, obviously hasn't been thought through properly, & the Government already have the figures they require via the family tax credits.I think the coalition has worked ok to be honest. There are as many divisions within the parties as there are between them. My gut feeling is that the Tory right wing will create the most problems in the coalition and will force an early election, the LibDems will suffer badly at the next General Election with Labour picking up their votes.My concern would be the scale of the cuts. I'm all for getting people off benefits and into work, but there has to be the work available. It appears to me that the coalition hasn't actually done anything yet, just a lot of talk about cuts and what they plan to do in the future, but I fully expect the next 2-3 years to be very difficult financially for many families. House prices will fall, inflation will continue to rise and wages will stagnate, Public Sector cuts to come, VAT rise in January, benefit cuts kicking in, strikes will become common place, riots and civil disobedience will increase. Most of those are good things though, house prices going down - good thing, that contributed to the collapse and houses will be more affordable VAT going up - Good thing, tell me a better way to raise tax revenues? Will bring us into line with europe Benefit cuts - Good thing, about time Strikes common place? They already are aren't they? Riots and civil disobedience? Blame Labour who ruined the economy |
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Post by peterdevo on Oct 5, 2010 20:56:17 GMT
Most of those are good things though,
house prices going down - good thing, that contributed to the collapse and houses will be more affordable
VAT going up - Good thing, tell me a better way to raise tax revenues? Will bring us into line with europe
Benefit cuts - Good thing, about time
Strikes common place? They already are aren't they?
Riots and civil disobedience? Blame Labour who ruined the economy
I agree with all you say but I can't see how falling house prices help. Those who want to move won't be wanting to crystallize a loss. The thought of negative equity will be enough to drive some to bankruptcy. Falling house prices are a sign of a weak economy and recession.
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 6, 2010 7:52:34 GMT
Most of those are good things though, house prices going down - good thing, that contributed to the collapse and houses will be more affordable. I agree house prices are too high at present and I think they will fall over the next year, no bad thing IMHO, reckless lending by the banks caused the house price bubble and contributed to the world economic crisis.VAT going up - Good thing, tell me a better way to raise tax revenues? Will bring us into line with Europe. Disagree, VAT going up is not a good thing, proportionally it will affect the poorest in society the most. A higher rate of tax for the biggest earners (eg bankers) a land tax & a tax on second homes, higher capital gains tax, should all be implemented.
I noticed you conveniently chose to ignore the risk of high inflation , and stagnating salaries, this will have a huge impact on peoples finances. Don't forget Interest rates will also rise in the future in an attempt to combat inflation at some stage.
Benefit cuts - Good thing, about time. Well depends if you need benefits to survive or not. I don't have a problem with the proposed child benefit cuts, but they obviously haven't been thought through properly.Strikes common place? They already are aren't they? Well no not when you compare us to rest of Europe.There will be a gradual increase in strike action as the cuts bite deeper.Riots and civil disobedience? Blame Labour who ruined the economy. I suppose labour are to blame for the banks collapse in USA, the Irish financial collapse, the Greek financial collapse, the problems in Japan,, etc etc.Going back to the original opening post, I've been quite impressed with Ian Duncan Smith and Ken Clarke so far. Cameron is weak, and Osborne appears to be reviling in the cuts and enjoying himself enormously. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 6, 2010 8:22:40 GMT
Cameron is a lot better than I thought he'd be. At least Gordon Brown isn't in the media much, apart from his legacy.
I think Fred Goodwin should be in jail also.
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Post by amarillo on Oct 6, 2010 9:03:54 GMT
One thing is for sure, whoever is in charge we are going through a rough time. With the electorate always quick to blame whoever is in government, its only a matter of time before the Tories become as unpopular as Labour were. Then we'll vote for Labour thinking they are the answer to our problems and the cycle continues again!
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Post by Agadoo on Oct 6, 2010 11:22:31 GMT
Most of those are good things though, house prices going down - good thing, that contributed to the collapse and houses will be more affordable. I agree house prices are too high at present and I think they will fall over the next year, no bad thing IMHO, reckless lending by the banks caused the house price bubble and contributed to the world economic crisis.VAT going up - Good thing, tell me a better way to raise tax revenues? Will bring us into line with Europe. Disagree, VAT going up is not a good thing, proportionally it will affect the poorest in society the most. A higher rate of tax for the biggest earners (eg bankers) a land tax & a tax on second homes, higher capital gains tax, should all be implemented.
I noticed you conveniently chose to ignore the risk of high inflation , and stagnating salaries, this will have a huge impact on peoples finances. Don't forget Interest rates will also rise in the future in an attempt to combat inflation at some stage.
Have they not already introduced a windfall tax on 2nd homes?
VAT is a tax on choice rather than a compulsory tax, that's why I think it's fair. Labour were going to raise national insurance if re-elected, that is unfair and would have hit the poorer harder, and they abolished the 10p tax rate, perhaps that should be reinstated? The coalition have also raised the 0 income tax threshold. If they have to raise VAT to pay for that, again, I think that's fair.Benefit cuts - Good thing, about time. Well depends if you need benefits to survive or not. I don't have a problem with the proposed child benefit cuts, but they obviously haven't been thought through properly.
There shouldn't be such a thing as dependency on benefits, obviously if you're disabled and such but that goes without saying.Strikes common place? They already are aren't they? Well no not when you compare us to rest of Europe.There will be a gradual increase in strike action as the cuts bite deeper.Well, hopefully the coalition will bring in legislation which will make most stikes illegal. Tube workers went on strike in London even though not even 1/3 of their members could be bothered to vote on itRiots and civil disobedience? Blame Labour who ruined the economy. I suppose labour are to blame for the banks collapse in USA, the Irish financial collapse, the Greek financial collapse, the problems in Japan,, etc etc.Labour should have kept a prudent and financially strong economy as opposed to a massive state investment programme on borrowed money. Look at it this way, would you invest in your home using a credit card? no, exactly.Going back to the original opening post, I've been quite impressed with Ian Duncan Smith and Ken Clarke so far. Cameron is weak, and Osborne appears to be reviling in the cuts and enjoying himself enormously. |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 6, 2010 14:17:53 GMT
Most of those are good things though, house prices going down - good thing, that contributed to the collapse and houses will be more affordable. I agree house prices are too high at present and I think they will fall over the next year, no bad thing IMHO, reckless lending by the banks caused the house price bubble and contributed to the world economic crisis.VAT going up - Good thing, tell me a better way to raise tax revenues? Will bring us into line with Europe. Disagree, VAT going up is not a good thing, proportionally it will affect the poorest in society the most. A higher rate of tax for the biggest earners (eg bankers) a land tax & a tax on second homes, higher capital gains tax, should all be implemented.
I noticed you conveniently chose to ignore the risk of high inflation , and stagnating salaries, this will have a huge impact on peoples finances. Don't forget Interest rates will also rise in the future in an attempt to combat inflation at some stage.
Have they not already introduced a windfall tax on 2nd homes?
VAT is a tax on choice rather than a compulsory tax, that's why I think it's fair. Labour were going to raise national insurance if re-elected, that is unfair and would have hit the poorer harder, and they abolished the 10p tax rate, perhaps that should be reinstated? The coalition have also raised the 0 income tax threshold. If they have to raise VAT to pay for that, again, I think that's fair.Benefit cuts - Good thing, about time. Well depends if you need benefits to survive or not. I don't have a problem with the proposed child benefit cuts, but they obviously haven't been thought through properly.
There shouldn't be such a thing as dependency on benefits, obviously if you're disabled and such but that goes without saying.Strikes common place? They already are aren't they? Well no not when you compare us to rest of Europe.There will be a gradual increase in strike action as the cuts bite deeper.Well, hopefully the coalition will bring in legislation which will make most stikes illegal. Tube workers went on strike in London even though not even 1/3 of their members could be bothered to vote on itRiots and civil disobedience? Blame Labour who ruined the economy. I suppose labour are to blame for the banks collapse in USA, the Irish financial collapse, the Greek financial collapse, the problems in Japan,, etc etc.Labour should have kept a prudent and financially strong economy as opposed to a massive state investment programme on borrowed money. Look at it this way, would you invest in your home using a credit card? no, exactly.Going back to the original opening post, I've been quite impressed with Ian Duncan Smith and Ken Clarke so far. Cameron is weak, and Osborne appears to be reviling in the cuts and enjoying himself enormously. Eh? I suppose it is a tax on choice yes, if you want to spend the rest of your life 'choosing' to buy jaffa cakes. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Oct 6, 2010 14:24:31 GMT
I agree with that, William Hague should be PM he is the best statesman we have Eh? I suppose it is a tax on choice yes, if you want to spend the rest of your life 'choosing' to buy jaffa cakes. No vat on Jaffa Cakes.  |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 6, 2010 18:06:44 GMT
Eh? I suppose it is a tax on choice yes, if you want to spend the rest of your life 'choosing' to buy jaffa cakes. No vat on Jaffa Cakes. That was rather my point... |
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