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Post by rambler on Jul 30, 2010 17:26:33 GMT
I would like to see Jack stay as I think he's a clever player, but as an out and out striker, not sure about that.
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Post by HoboOxy2 on Jul 30, 2010 18:23:42 GMT
I see no reason for Jack Midson or any other player to be shipped out on loan this season, people are forgetting that we will be running a reserve team this season for the 1st time in 4 years and all players on our books will be needed to play either in the 1st team or reserve team
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Post by salaghaf on Jul 30, 2010 18:35:25 GMT
midson's a decent player. perfectly capable of doing ok in lge 2 what he isn't is a goalscorer. he's a link man. he plays others in. or makes unselfish runs he's a bit like johnny byrne in his days with us, but of course absolutely nowhere near as good. as part of a 3 with green and beano, i'm happy we've got him Is that you Ed? Dudley Ed? Agree with everything you say anyhow.
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Post by mightyyellows on Jul 30, 2010 19:40:30 GMT
midson's a decent player. perfectly capable of doing ok in lge 2 what he isn't is a goalscorer. he's a link man. he plays others in. or makes unselfish runs he's a bit like johnny byrne in his days with us, but of course absolutely nowhere near as good. as part of a 3 with green and beano, i'm happy we've got him Agree with this too. I'd also like to point out he IS a goalscorer, got over 20 with Histon didn't he? He does fit the 4-3-3 and the beauty of it is that although Beano, Midson and Green aren't the quickest trio, Potter Deering and Cole will be lethal off the bench in the second half. We're wise not to go for a big name centre forward as he'd only be disgruntled about being on the bench and I'm hoping CW has a loan signing in mind if we need direct cover for Beano.
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Post by Barmy Army on Jul 30, 2010 20:07:10 GMT
Regarding Midson it depends on how we plan to set up. If we are to persevere with the 433 with one striker centrally and the other two wider then I'd say Midson is absolutely vital. He's our biggest threat aerially and he also possesses good touch and vision. We play that ball right to left across the pitch loads and its no good having a midget out there if we stick with it. My game plan for this coming season would be to use Midson wide left and hit him as much as possible and feed on his knock downs. Those opening two goals at Wembley are what we're about and Midson is a vital component of that style. Possibly the first post of yours i have read and agreed with. He is not a left winger that will skin a full back for ninety minutes and whip in crosses. He is an outlet and a reliable one, has an excellent touch, is decent in the air and can pick a pass. He is doing a job out of his preferred position. His overall goal tally may not look great but when he played central when Beano was rested/banned he scored goals. At Luton he was exceptional, when he came off the ball didnt stick up front and we caved in. When he disappeared the wheels fell off, his return triggered our recovery. If Wilder wants to play more football i cant see this being a problem to him, he has a good touch and is an intelligent player. I can see Wilder using him and then letting Cole run a tierd full back ragged late in the game. I said on another thread that Midsons problem may be if he is playing well but we/he arnt scoring and his contribution doesnt help us.
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Post by Londonroader on Jul 30, 2010 21:30:50 GMT
I think some of you who have wrote views on Mids, might be suprised of the people who watched the game Tonight.
Decent in the air he is not, he can get a flick on or jump with the defender to put them off, but he is light weight in the air.
He played centre forward Tonight, and it was obvious he cannot do the job, he kept drifting out of the centre, chasing the ball instead of running the line.
We were pants up front Tonight, possibly the worse attacking display under CW, their keeper had to make 1 save when he spilled a simple shot, apart from that I can't remember any chances.
All Tonight confirmed is the Mids and Woodley cannot replace Beano if he is out, we need another striker.
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Post by unification on Jul 30, 2010 21:39:19 GMT
I think some of you who have wrote views on Mids, might be suprised of the people who watched the game Tonight. Decent in the air he is not, he can get a flick on or jump with the defender to put them off, but he is light weight in the air. He played centre forward Tonight, and it was obvious he cannot do the job, he kept drifting out of the centre, chasing the ball instead of running the line. We were pants up front Tonight, possibly the worse attacking display under CW, their keeper had to make 1 save when he spilled a simple shot, apart from that I can't remember any chances. All Tonight confirmed is the Mids and Woodley cannot replace Beano if he is out, we need another striker. Even more scary that City's goalkeeper was City's youth goalkeeping coach! And we barely had a shot. For those who think we're fine up front this season, the game against City would have been an eye-opener as Londonroader said. The official site says that Woodley was 'very impressive' which I cannot agree with. He regularly lost the ball, won nothing in the air and looked very shot-shy. I will accept he is a young lad, needs to bulk up and will learn with time, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team squad yet. His limitations were exposed tonight, but he still has time on his side. Midson was great either. He didn't win much in the air and any ball that went down the channel he was always second best to. I can't see the fella scoring many goals this season to be honest as his shooting wasn't decent either!
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Post by druid on Jul 30, 2010 21:56:41 GMT
I think some of you who have wrote views on Mids, might be suprised of the people who watched the game Tonight. Decent in the air he is not, he can get a flick on or jump with the defender to put them off, but he is light weight in the air. He played centre forward Tonight, and it was obvious he cannot do the job, he kept drifting out of the centre, chasing the ball instead of running the line. We were pants up front Tonight, possibly the worse attacking display under CW, their keeper had to make 1 save when he spilled a simple shot, apart from that I can't remember any chances. All Tonight confirmed is the Mids and Woodley cannot replace Beano if he is out, we need another striker. Totally agree.
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Post by The Fence End on Jul 30, 2010 21:58:01 GMT
I'm afraid to say that Midson isn't going to cut the mustard in L2. No room for sentiment I'm afraid, he may have to go.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jul 30, 2010 22:06:44 GMT
I thought Woodley was very good actually. I don't think he had an easy job tonight and he looked bright. If you watch him for a few minutes you'll see his movement is outstanding. His touch is also intelligent, putting him into space. I thought Jack was poor tonight and out of the front three, Woodley was the stand out. He always wants the ball and is constantly on the move. I'm happy with him in and around the team. I think tonight highlighted Midson's inability to directly replace Beano rather than any flaws in Woodley's game. I'd like to see Cole demand the ball more too. When on it he's excellent. It's just getting him involved that's hard. However, it's pre-season and I'm not suprised the intensity was lacking a bit.
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Post by Londonroader on Jul 30, 2010 22:20:53 GMT
I thought Woodley was very good actually. I don't think he had an easy job tonight and he looked bright. If you watch him for a few minutes you'll see his movement is outstanding. His touch is also intelligent, putting him into space. I thought Jack was poor tonight and out of the front three, Woodley was the stand out. He always wants the ball and is constantly on the move. I'm happy with him in and around the team. I think tonight highlighted Midson's inability to directly replace Beano rather than any flaws in Woodley's game. I'd like to see Cole demand the ball more too. When on it he's excellent. It's just getting him involved that's hard. However, it's pre-season and I'm not suprised the intensity was lacking a bit. What position does Woodley play? How many shots did he have on target, how many shot did he have off target, no how many shots did he have, any at all? Can't head a ball, too lightweight and got knocked off the ball easy, how would he cope with league defenders if he couldn't create anything against City. Woodley is certainly one for the future, but I think we need more fire power now.
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Post by dabigfella on Jul 30, 2010 22:30:53 GMT
I think the main problem tonight was the non existent midfield. We played two out and out wingers in Potter and Cole and neither of them managed consistent decent crosses all night (Cole managed a couple but that was about it). The central midfield was LSD and the trialist. The trialist worked hard but was no better (in fact probably worse) that what we already have and crated nothing. Sam deering did one of two things the whole match, Either he tried too ambitious a pass and lost the ball, or he got bounced off the ball and lost it that way. Creative he most definitely was not. To me this match simply confirmed that Deering and Potter are imnpact players who will rearely actually start a match. Given this poor midfield perfotmance it's hardly surprising that the front two didn't show up too well. The one saving grace is that the back four (no matter who was in it) performed extremely competently. The goal was an unfortunate affair whereby a shot that was destined to hit the corner flag hit Frank's backside and looped over Clarke into the net.
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oldman159
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Epitomise! - You know it makes sense - Wilder did & look what happened!
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Post by oldman159 on Jul 30, 2010 22:32:54 GMT
D07 - I agree re:Woodley , Alfie & Sam also worked very hard but to no avail, in fact I think that the number of missed passes from LSD is the highest I`ve seen from him.
Cole was anonymous second half
A disappointing performance reminiscent of CONference games v the likes of Forest Green & Tamworth...
Ho Hum - Early days I suppose.
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Post by oggie on Jul 30, 2010 22:34:16 GMT
We need someone to give these strikers more chances. Luckily we have beano who can bang one or two in with very little service. We need a player who pushes right up and feeds them with fantastic through balls, a real playmaker. That's hard to find at league 2 level though, so maybe another 'beano esc' striker is needed? Someone like Brodie, but he obviously won't come to be second choice and he's far too expensive. Get those scouts out!
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Post by druid on Jul 30, 2010 22:42:50 GMT
I thought Woodley was very good actually. I don't think he had an easy job tonight and he looked bright. If you watch him for a few minutes you'll see his movement is outstanding. His touch is also intelligent, putting him into space. I thought Jack was poor tonight and out of the front three, Woodley was the stand out. He always wants the ball and is constantly on the move. I'm happy with him in and around the team. I think tonight highlighted Midson's inability to directly replace Beano rather than any flaws in Woodley's game. I'd like to see Cole demand the ball more too. When on it he's excellent. It's just getting him involved that's hard. However, it's pre-season and I'm not suprised the intensity was lacking a bit. What position does Woodley play? How many shots did he have on target, how many shot did he have off target, no how many shots did he have, any at all? Can't head a ball, too lightweight and got knocked off the ball easy, how would he cope with league defenders if he couldn't create anything against City. Woodley is certainly one for the future, but I think we need more fire power now. Agree. Woodley may have potential, but he has a long way to go before he is ready to step up. However, tonight he showed his pace and had a better game than at Winchester where he barely had a kick against the experienced Guy Butters.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jul 30, 2010 23:34:11 GMT
My point is that Midson, Cole, Potter, Deering and Woodley played against the same team tonight. Out of those, Woodley and Potter were the best. Nobody has any issues with Cole being near the team but because Woodley is young, he can be written off. Our midfield was non-existant tonight so it seems wrong to criticise our strikers. If we are to criticise, which I don't think we should, Woodley isn't the most deserving of stick. His age just makes him an easy target. I'm not saying he's got to start but certain aspects of his game tonight were much more pleasing than his attacking teammates.
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Post by Barmy Army on Jul 31, 2010 8:29:14 GMT
Its interesting to read peoples views on players. Those that like Creighton point to last season and pick out games he did well in but "conveniently" forget about the games he was poor in and not mention pre season where he has conceded 2 penalties, 2 free kicks that have led to goals and dropped Clarke right in it with a poor backpass. Apart from these errors he has been very good apparently. Midson has a poor pre season game where is probably more interested in avoiding injury, gets no service and he is hopeless and has to go. Forgotten are his 20 goals for Histon or the goals he got when he played up front in the trophy or the fact that his return to the team last season coincided with our revival. Life would be boring if everyone agreed.
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Post by yellowg on Jul 31, 2010 9:21:28 GMT
Midson will be given some time during the season to deliver - In my opinion he has it in him to score goals for us.
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Post by bobsss on Jul 31, 2010 10:12:19 GMT
....cor blimey, that game last night must give us cause for concern. Helter-skelter stuff, ball in the air too much - and no cohesion anywhere. City were quite competent though and had more shots on goal....a well deserved win.
BUT remember we did not have what will be our first choice midfielders and a few others...........for christ sake get another competent striker Wilder or the moans and groans will start.
With this addition I would have so much confidence for our promotion hopes.......still, what the hell, we'll all be there come rain or shine.
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Post by Londonroader on Jul 31, 2010 10:17:31 GMT
Its interesting to read peoples views on players. Those that like Creighton point to last season and pick out games he did well in but "conveniently" forget about the games he was poor in and not mention pre season where he has conceded 2 penalties, 2 free kicks that have led to goals and dropped Clarke right in it with a poor backpass. Apart from these errors he has been very good apparently. Midson has a poor pre season game where is probably more interested in avoiding injury, gets no service and he is hopeless and has to go. Forgotten are his 20 goals for Histon or the goals he got when he played up front in the trophy or the fact that his return to the team last season coincided with our revival. Life would be boring if everyone agreed. Do you really think the worry about Midson not scoring is about 1 pre season game, and other players have faults but it's not their job to score goals and I think we have a major concern where the goals are coming from apart from Beano. Mids is the weak link in the "front 3" at the moment, have we got the luxury to wait and see if he comes good? I hope he does produce goals, that will then save on money that might be better spent elsewhere. Mids did score 20 goals for Histon, but what position did he play, did he have the expectation level and pressure to score as he does here, was that his "good season" we don't know, what we do know is last season he wasn't good enough to force his was in to the first team regularly in CW eyes, and the resultant goal tally was also poor, he has not scored in preseason even though he's had enough chances, if he is low on confidence and a little out off sorts fine, but as we have no other striker to put up front, you can see the worry this situation causes, I really don't know if another forward is coming in, but on what I and many others have seen we need one to help Beano score goals.
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