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Post by scoob on Jan 5, 2011 15:47:57 GMT
Can we afford to leave out such a consistent scorer as Beano for Jack? Maybe playing them as a pair upfront would work? Constable: 116 Appearences (including 8 Subs) ; Scored 62 Goals; Goals/Appearances = 53% This season 10/22 = 46% Midson: 57 Appearances (including 24 Subs); Scored 14 Goals; Goals/Appearances = 25% This Season 8/17 = 47% Yeah but:- based on started matches Constable is 57% and Midson is 42%. If you factor in say 50% for Midson being played out of position he rates 63%, which is actually better! Edit: Didn't mention Craddock cos, though I've seen him a few times, I can't figure out where he fits, or maybe what he does.Nice try. I will now stick my finger in the air and let the wind tell me who is best. Some stats may not tell the whole picture but long term striker stats tend to. I like Midson but a lot of the misses that I can remember were close to goal so where his starting position is irrelevant. Beano, like most strikers at this level, may miss a fair few but he gets himself into positions to be able to convert them and does so more often and often switches from centre to left or right to get into those positions. I therefore feel that the out of position excuse is exagerated.
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Post by middlebartonyellow on Jan 5, 2011 15:57:34 GMT
Exactly, Midson Scored 2 goals in his last game for Southend but the matches he played prior to that he was terrible Maybe thats because he was playing out of position. Now he is in his favoured role, he has scored 5 in 2 games. I would play both of them with Jack down the middle and Beano on the right of a front 3. Let Craddock play on the left. I haven't included Mclean as he might not be here very long. If he is, then Craddock and Mclean would fighting for the other forward position. Green on the bench. He was still playing on the left of a front 3 though was'nt he. When he played against Oxford at Kasstad he played out on the left, the other striker played down the middle ( can't remember his name ) , so its all a bit of a myth that he played as a central striker all of the time at Histon.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 5, 2011 16:17:58 GMT
Stats Nice try. I will now stick my finger in the air and let the wind tell me who is best. Some stats may not tell the whole picture but long term striker stats tend to. Glad you saw my point Somewhat more seriously, it might be interesting to compare goals to minutes played since I have a hunch Midson has made a few late appearances. You may well be right that the 'out-of-position' argument has been exaggerated. I agree that "Beano.........gets himself into positions to be able to convert them and does so more often and often switches from centre to left or right to get into those positions.". Do you think it is a good argument that he should play one side of a central attacker / ball holderer-up like Midson / MacLean?
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Post by followtheox on Jan 5, 2011 19:07:54 GMT
If both can be played at the same time (which they can - I'm sticking to my theory that Constable fits in on the left of a 4-3-3 because he cuts inside all the time) then there's no need to debate it, but for what it's worth: Midson does not have a terrific record of finishing all the chances given to him, this is something that has newly appeared this season. Beano never has, but has made up for it by getting himself into goalscoring positions 4 or 5 times a game quite often. If he gets these chances, he WILL finish at least one of them. The end result is a similar goal tally, but my sense is that Constable would edge it, but through his contributions both there and elsewhere, Constable makes us play far better football. When he's been out of the team is largely when we've seen our worst football and some of our worst results of the past few years, and while I respect and like Midson greatly, he's going to have to perform consistently for a long time to be considered as good as Beano. From an attacking point of view your right but in the games i have see with Beano on the left the left back has a lot to do!
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Post by eaststandboy on Jan 5, 2011 19:23:55 GMT
But what if McLean is asking for too high wages? i'd defo welcome Marvin
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Post by peterdevo on Jan 5, 2011 19:37:43 GMT
It is definitely good to be discussing how good our strikers are...not like when we were struggling in the conference with some also rans For me Constable is the main scorer of goals so is better but I believe that Midson deserves at least a run in the side and Craddock is a top finisher. Green has been a disappointment at times. Great position all too often but as for finishing.... McClean not mentioned as might not be around too long
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Post by irishterrier on Jan 5, 2011 20:52:47 GMT
ive never made no bones about it ,that i rate midson , but silly question as they are very different players !raw aggression v skill and guile.
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Post by fat bloke on Jan 5, 2011 23:00:49 GMT
So can they work together if wilder played 442? Or would it have 2 be 433 from the bench which could be good 20 mins to go.The worst problem is that we very rarely score within 1st 15 mins as the team looks slow and then build up a work raTE in 2nd half where most goals come.
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Post by fat bloke on Jan 5, 2011 23:07:26 GMT
we should play a bit like fergies team in 90s....cole/york than bring on sheringham/solskjaer half way 2nd half to carry on goal threat?...With service could we get that sort of strike rate with our forwards working in tandem or am i been on beers and getting carried away with midson?
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Post by bornyellow on Jan 5, 2011 23:16:19 GMT
we should play a bit like fergies team in 90s....cole/york than bring on sheringham/solskjaer half way 2nd half to carry on goal threat?...With service could we get that sort of strike rate with our forwards working in tandem or am i been on beers and getting carried away with midson? His hatrick the other day was great but you mite be over doing it a bit, and as for Constable being all raw aggression bit harsh?
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Post by fat bloke on Jan 5, 2011 23:21:24 GMT
Yes but work to that ethos of we can score more than you and lets face it there is not a great team in this league we could be like we did in 80s scoring for fun & winning.
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Post by bornyellow on Jan 5, 2011 23:24:30 GMT
Yes but work to that ethos of we can score more than you and lets face it there is not a great team in this league we could be like we did in 80s scoring for fun & winning. Would certainly be great to watch, but I don't think we have enough creativity in team to supply all these goals.
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Post by fat bloke on Jan 5, 2011 23:52:14 GMT
Perhaps next season when we click?
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Post by scoob on Jan 6, 2011 0:38:03 GMT
Stats Nice try. I will now stick my finger in the air and let the wind tell me who is best. Some stats may not tell the whole picture but long term striker stats tend to. Glad you saw my point Somewhat more seriously, it might be interesting to compare goals to minutes played since I have a hunch Midson has made a few late appearances. You may well be right that the 'out-of-position' argument has been exaggerated. I agree that "Beano.........gets himself into positions to be able to convert them and does so more often and often switches from centre to left or right to get into those positions.". Do you think it is a good argument that he should play one side of a central attacker / ball holderer-up like Midson / MacLean? Lets have another look at the stats at the end of the season and see who has the best strike rate. Hopefully the will both be on 50%+ having played all of the remaining games and scord shed loads of goals then we will all be happy. Bearing in mind how Constable plays I would think that he could fit into either side but that may affect his game as he likes plenty of freedom to go where he likes. I guess it depends if CW is prepared to take some risk.
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Post by hht on Jan 6, 2011 5:07:07 GMT
Perhaps next season when we click? Perhaps next season with our best midfielder back. I have yet to see someone this season in the middle of our park to rival Chapmans particular skills.
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Post by tomox on Jan 6, 2011 19:27:30 GMT
Midson is a good finisher that would score more goals playing down the middle but people are forgetting that we have a better, younger finisher at the club, Tom Craddock. He would score goals
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Post by sidmyster on Jan 6, 2011 20:37:19 GMT
i think its a tough one because i do believe midson has not had a fair oportunity as he has been played out of position but this is what i think...
beano: presense, strength and will score
midson: great finisher, doesnt get as many chances as beano but i do think he is one of thoose players who creates goals for other people eg heskey.
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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Jan 6, 2011 20:38:13 GMT
Midson is a good finisher that would score more goals playing down the middle but people are forgetting that we have a better, younger finisher at the club, Tom Craddock. He would score goals Craddock is a good, maybe even great finisher at this level but he adds very little more than goals and is extremely lightweight. He does his fair share of tracking back, sure, but so does Midson. Really it's just a case of who's more in form, and we should definitely be starting someone who just scored 5 goals in 2 games.
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Post by OxYellow on Jan 6, 2011 21:55:05 GMT
Based on current form, Midson completely deserves to start, both are completely different kinds of strikers with different strengths and weaknesses, so can't really compare the two.
Maclean Midson Craddock will be the strikers in the Aldershot game that start.
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 6, 2011 21:58:23 GMT
Thing is.
Midson and Maclean HAVE to play central roles.
Beano and Craddock can 'get away' with going wider.
I'm really suprised Beans can play LW-LF actually. His movement has been excellant and he can still find his way into Goal scoring positions (Macclesfield)
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