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Post by Agadoo on Sept 25, 2010 22:24:12 GMT
So it's red Ed Milliband. Great. New Labour is dead, it's back to unelectable old labour and a generation in the wilderness for them. I wonder if they'll ever get back in? Methinks not....  |
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Post by Barmy Army on Sept 26, 2010 10:02:21 GMT
Wouldnt be so sure Moobs, the fact the Tories couldnt get a majority against the shambles that Brown offered suggests Cameron and his party hardly appealed. IMO this highlights the poor state of politics and the quality of politicians in this country. All born from different sides of the same coin.
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Post by dannyc on Sept 26, 2010 10:12:13 GMT
Wouldnt be so sure Moobs, the fact the Tories couldnt get a majority against the shambles that Brown offered suggests Cameron and his party hardly appealed. IMO this highlights the poor state of politics and the quality of politicians in this country. All born from different sides of the same coin. or maybe most people dont bother about politics anymore |
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Post by dannyc on Sept 26, 2010 10:25:14 GMT
Ed Milliband looks abit like jimbo from american pie ;D
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Post by Ricky Otto on Sept 26, 2010 13:56:25 GMT
He's a Trade Unionist puppet.
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Post by Agadoo on Sept 26, 2010 14:42:41 GMT
He's a Trade Unionist puppet. Exactly, so he'll never win the middle class vote. Kinnock Mk II |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Sept 26, 2010 16:28:00 GMT
He's a Trade Unionist puppet. Exactly, so he'll never win the middle class vote. Kinnock Mk II To be fair to Miliband he wouldn't have been my choice if I were a labour supporter, but we know basically nothing about the guy. Yes he is rumoured to be very old labour but that has been put about mainly by his rivals. He is relatively unknown to the public and will have to make his view very clear very quickly if he does not want to put people off on the basis of a possibly ill-deserved reputation. Saying that he is a commie with no more evidence than the word of his enemies and the fact that some gullible shop stewards voted for him is a little premature. |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Sept 26, 2010 16:40:53 GMT
The argument that it is all down to the union vote is Tory press spin. If you look at the figures the Miliband's were neck and neck on union support on the first round www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/sep/26/labour-leadership-results-electionEd M won because he was backed by two big unions and picked up the votes from the eliminated candidates. Anyway, since the unions are the only groups with a chance of defending us from the vicious Tory cuts to jobs and pensions, let's hope he is tied strongly to their demands. Unfortunately I predict the first thing he'll do is distance himself. |
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Post by dabigfella on Sept 26, 2010 16:48:20 GMT
He's a Trade Unionist puppet. But then Cock up Cameron and his poodle Calamity Clegg are big business puppets, so what's the difference. |
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Post by peterdevo on Sept 26, 2010 17:33:33 GMT
I reckon the Conservatives will go for an election within twelve months and the Liberals will be left fighting for their lives. Labour backed by the unions could be as bad as they were in the eighties and left out of office for ten years at least
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Post by Gavin Archery on Sept 26, 2010 17:38:57 GMT
Ed Milliband wrote the Labour manifesto at the last election, and now disowns it and wants change. Gordon brown was an uncharismatic leader, but don't know enough about Ed Milliband to comment on his future other than he is distancing himself from Iraq.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Sept 26, 2010 18:58:19 GMT
He's a Trade Unionist puppet. But then Cock up Cameron and his poodle Calamity Clegg are big business puppets, so what's the difference. Big busines have a few more brains to share around. |
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Post by Agadoo on Sept 26, 2010 19:45:35 GMT
On the one hand I think Labour have done the right thing and brought someone new, young and fresh faced in, I also think he looks honest, no spin and bullshit. On the other hand he has the huge burden of being an old labour leftie and a vote for him is a vote for a bloated state and huge Union power.
He's got his work cut out i'll say that
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Post by Lone Gunman on Sept 26, 2010 20:16:18 GMT
On the one hand I think Labour have done the right thing and brought someone new, young and fresh faced in, I also think he looks honest, no spin and bullshit. On the other hand he has the huge burden of being an old labour leftie and a vote for him is a vote for a bloated state and huge Union power.He's got his work cut out i'll say that LOVING IT!!!!! No spin and bullsh!t says moobs so he spouts a load of (tory) spin and bullsh!t in the next sentence. Priceless. |
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Post by boris on Sept 26, 2010 21:16:36 GMT
But then Cock up Cameron and his poodle Calamity Clegg are big business puppets, so what's the difference. Big busines have a few more brains to share around. Prove it. Anyway, even if New Labour lurched violently towards the left, it would still end up merely centrist, rather than the Tory copycats we've got at the mo. I reckon a party that was genuinely different to the rubbish that we've currently got might actually get more votes, as those disaffected by the Labour lurch to the Tory right would come back to the fold. |
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Post by Yellow River on Sept 26, 2010 21:19:33 GMT
Cameron, Clegg, and now Ed Milliband, all in all a pretty uninspiring bunch.
Still could work out alright for Ed Milliband in the long run. The ConDem pact will fall apart at some stage with labour picking up the majority of the dis-enchanted Liberal vote.
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Post by sihath on Sept 27, 2010 8:56:27 GMT
His nasally voice is going to get annoying pretty quickly.
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Post by peterdevo on Sept 27, 2010 13:55:16 GMT
Agree with that. He already gets on my nerves.
Can't see David serving in the shadow cabinet.
Labour won't have too many pieces to pick up, they are bankrupt on ideas and left the country the same way
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Post by Ricky Otto on Sept 27, 2010 16:42:36 GMT
Big busines have a few more brains to share around. Prove it. Anyway, even if New Labour lurched violently towards the left, it would still end up merely centrist, rather than the Tory copycats we've got at the mo. I reckon a party that was genuinely different to the rubbish that we've currently got might actually get more votes, as those disaffected by the Labour lurch to the Tory right would come back to the fold. The left is dead. Its now merely a competition of who can do the best version of centre right. Ed Miliband will do a bad impression. |
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Post by peterdevo on Sept 27, 2010 17:45:52 GMT
To be honest it doesn't matter who wins over here as the EU determine nearly everything we have to do
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