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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 18, 2010 11:04:43 GMT
The Irish government has pledged €20mil to help the aid effort in Pakistan. A noble effort for a country that has recently tettered on the brink of financial oblivion.
Yet, the Pakistani Governemnt has recently ordered 150 aircraft fighters for it's army at $15mil a pop. $2.25bil. This order could possibly raise to 250 aircraft. Zimbabwe and Azerbaijan have also expressed an interest in ordering to. That could buy a lot of aid and build flood defences....
Why should governments spend money to help, when the Pakistani government would rather buy instruments of death than help their own charges?
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 18, 2010 11:10:14 GMT
Erm,
Because we have a responsiblity to the people rather than tho their government?
Why don't you also criticise the Western governments who encourage such arms sales?
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Post by Boilerplate on Aug 18, 2010 11:24:44 GMT
Erm, Because we have a responsiblity to the people rather than tho their government? Why don't you also criticise the Western governments who encourage such arms sales?[/quote] But they buy their Military Hardware from Russia. |
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 18, 2010 11:28:11 GMT
Erm, Because we have a responsiblity to the people rather than tho their government? Why don't you also criticise the Western governments who encourage such arms sales? Why do European countries have more of a responsiblility to those people than their own government who are happy to spend billions on weapons, rather than those who need it? |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 18, 2010 11:33:00 GMT
Erm, Because we have a responsiblity to the people rather than tho their government? Why don't you also criticise the Western governments who encourage such arms sales? Why do European countries have more of a responsiblility to those people than their own government who are happy to spend billions on weapons, rather than those who need it? Because of years of colonialism and imperialism. Or do you think that the reason poorer countries tend to have corrupt governments because they are inferior to us civilised nations? |
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Post by yelloexile on Aug 18, 2010 11:36:12 GMT
The trouble with finger pointing is when it can be turned straight back.
How much has it cost us in money and lives to act as America's poodle - as well as the ongoing financial and emotional costs of our injured soldiers?
I don't think our responsibility is greater or less really thean anyone else. Sometimes I think we need to get off this high horse that we are the world's moral protector and guardian and look to some of the problems we have on our own doorstep.
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 18, 2010 11:44:51 GMT
Why do European countries have more of a responsiblility to those people than their own government who are happy to spend billions on weapons, rather than those who need it? Because of years of colonialism and imperialism. Or do you think that the reason poorer countries tend to have corrupt governments because they are inferior to us civilised nations? Correct me if I'm wrong, when did Ireland colonise Pakistan, because I don't think we did? |
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Post by yelloexile on Aug 18, 2010 11:50:20 GMT
Why do European countries have more of a responsiblility to those people than their own government who are happy to spend billions on weapons, rather than those who need it? Or do you think that the reason poorer countries tend to have corrupt governments because they are inferior to us civilised nations? That's rubbish. There are a number of stances you can take on that - If they were still colonies they might be better off! The people themselves have to take responsibility for their own actions. That if you follow the line of permanent responsibility, we will be paying for eternity, and so when does it stop - a natural disaster has nothing to do with colonial rule - perhaps you can argue that the political instability has more so. Also, should they be looking at what they are spending on their nuclear programme? Corruption is more of a cultural and political issue - 'inferiority' has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of corruption everywhere in the world, it just varies in terms of scale and who is doing it. |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 18, 2010 11:52:53 GMT
Because of years of colonialism and imperialism. Or do you think that the reason poorer countries tend to have corrupt governments because they are inferior to us civilised nations? Correct me if I'm wrong, when did Ireland colonise Pakistan, because I don't think we did? Yes, yes, easy to make cheap points. You asked about European countires, not specifically about Ireland. Instead of asking why we should give money to countries hit with natural disasters, why don't you ask why our governments spent hundreds of billions bailing out the corrupt banking sector, a fraction of which money could alievate poverty and debt at home and abroad? |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 18, 2010 11:54:33 GMT
Because of years of colonialism and imperialism. Or do you think that the reason poorer countries tend to have corrupt governments because they are inferior to us civilised nations? That's rubbish. There are a number of stances you can take on that - If they were still colonies they might be better off! The people themselves have to take responsibility for their own actions. That if you follow the line of permanent responsibility, we will be paying for eternity, and so when does it stop - a natural disaster has nothing to do with colonial rule - perhaps you can argue that the political instability has more so. Also, should they be looking at what they are spending on their nuclear programme? Corruption is more of a cultural and political issue - 'inferiority' has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of corruption everywhere in the world, it just varies in terms of scale and who is doing it. Very good. Have you ever thought of working for the World Bank? |
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Post by yelloexile on Aug 18, 2010 11:56:23 GMT
That's rubbish. There are a number of stances you can take on that - If they were still colonies they might be better off! The people themselves have to take responsibility for their own actions. That if you follow the line of permanent responsibility, we will be paying for eternity, and so when does it stop - a natural disaster has nothing to do with colonial rule - perhaps you can argue that the political instability has more so. Also, should they be looking at what they are spending on their nuclear programme? Corruption is more of a cultural and political issue - 'inferiority' has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of corruption everywhere in the world, it just varies in terms of scale and who is doing it. Very good. Have you ever thought of working for the World Bank? Too corrupt  |
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 18, 2010 11:59:21 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, when did Ireland colonise Pakistan, because I don't think we did? Yes, yes, easy to make cheap points. You asked about European countires, not specifically about Ireland. Instead of asking why we should give money to countries hit with natural disasters, why don't you ask why our governments spent hundreds of billions bailing out the corrupt banking sector, a fraction of which money could alievate poverty and debt at home and abroad? Much like the cheap point you made I thought.... Bailing out the banks.... Saving how many jobs, and how many different economies from disappearing? That had to be done to keep the foundations of Britain solvent. How is spending $2.25bil on fighter jets taking priority? Surely you can see the difference in the two scenarios? |
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