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Post by ed on Aug 3, 2010 11:04:52 GMT
It's widely accepted we play 4-3-3
However, it wouldn't surprise me if we switch to a 4-4-1-1 job given the players in the squad (few striker, a lot of ball players)
usual back 4 folks but then...
Bullman Heslop Clist Hall
Philliskirk Constable
i think they call it a diamond. think how england should have played in WC, replacing phillis with gerrard
the width comes from our full-backs with clist or heslop tucking in if exposed
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 3, 2010 11:12:18 GMT
Considering Wilder said yesterday that he was getting the Chelsea lad in as he is used to playing 4 3 3, I think that makes it clear that that will be the preferred formation.
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Post by edgecam on Aug 3, 2010 12:25:24 GMT
A number of people were talking about different formations home and away last season, am correct in assuming that its general believed we will play 4-3-3 home and away? Otherwise Wilders comments do not make sense.
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Post by ed on Aug 3, 2010 12:27:08 GMT
when we don't have the ball, we play 4-5-1 because the wide guys of the front three tuck in. even at home.
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Post by bornyellow on Aug 3, 2010 12:56:54 GMT
when we don't have the ball, we play 4-5-1 because the wide guys of the front three tuck in. even at home. Yeh most teams do that when they don't have the ball it just makes sense, making it harder for the opposition to break you down. Think it's important that we do play 4-3-3 when we have the ball though as seen in a few games last season beano can get really frustrated playing up top on his own.
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Post by Agadoo on Aug 3, 2010 13:31:29 GMT
I prefer the Christmas Pudding formation
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 3, 2010 13:34:32 GMT
Last season thepreferred option was 4-3-3. But during the season we played a number of others as the situation demanded. The most used alternative was 4-5-1, but 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 were also used. On one occasion I seem to remember we also played 4-3-1-2 as well!!! ;D
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Post by Ricky Otto on Aug 3, 2010 18:50:40 GMT
or we could play 4-4-2....
Clarke Batt Worley Creighton Tonkin
Deering Bullman Heslop Cole
Green Constable
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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Aug 3, 2010 19:51:16 GMT
or we could play 4-4-2.... Clarke Batt Worley Creighton Tonkin Deering Bullman Heslop Cole Green Constable That leaves Hall out. But kudos on a Green/Constable up front pairing. Worth 3 goals a game on average I reckon , but yeah, leaves out Hall, and I reckon that could hurt our defence. The 3-man central midfield has been a big part of our good pre-season moments/games, or at least a midfield with those three in.
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Post by Barmy Army on Aug 3, 2010 21:34:35 GMT
Last season thepreferred option was 4-3-3. But during the season we played a number of others as the situation demanded. The most used alternative was 4-5-1, but 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 were also used. On one occasion I seem to remember we also played 4-3-1-2 as well!!! ;D Tamworth away we ended up playing 4-0-6, it didnt work.
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Post by baldy on Aug 3, 2010 22:10:02 GMT
I prefer the Christmas Pudding formation I'd have thought you would definitely be a fan of the 'Chistmas Tree' formation - plenty of fairies to top it off down at The Emirates.
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Post by Simmeister14 on Aug 3, 2010 23:34:22 GMT
Baldy continues his Arsenal obsession and we're not even in the N&I section!
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Post by yellowg on Aug 4, 2010 6:07:11 GMT
I like 4-3-3 because it's a modern formation that excites me.
And Our squad is suited to this formation for many reasons...
1. We have Pace and attacking threat at full back. 2. We have loads of midfielders - who seem to very aware of their defensive duties when the full backs bomb on. 3. We have lots of pace and guile upfront with Green, Cole, Deering and Potter who have the ability to really cause some trouble. let them worry about us I say. 4. We can become very compact at the drop of a hat with Green and Cole for example dropping deeper to crowd the midfield - and play a real wide counter attacking game away from home. 5. Constable becomes a real threat when there are players playing off him, but gets very frustrated up top on his own. 6. Only Cole is an out and out winger I believe...
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 4, 2010 7:31:37 GMT
I like 4-3-3 because it's a modern formation that excites me. And Our squad is suited to this formation for many reasons... 5. Constable becomes a real threat when there are players playing off him, but gets very frustrated up top on his own. 6. Only Cole is an out and out winger I believe... 5. This can easily happen with 3 up front when the two wide players have to drop back as the midfield is so narrow. Playing 2 up front would mean Constable would always have a strike partner (and is the ideal formation to get the best out of Midson). 6. Potter can easily play a traditional winger role on the right side.
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Post by topfanoufc on Aug 4, 2010 8:19:40 GMT
The formation that seems to get a lot of high level manager excited these days is 4-2-3-1. You basically have two holding midfielders playing just in front of the back four and then four attack-minded players. You can easily fit in two wingers and a second striker to make it look like a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-3 but the key is to have your two holding midfielders playing very disciplined. Quite a few teams in the world cup lined up like this.
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Post by baldy on Aug 4, 2010 11:22:25 GMT
I like 4-3-3 because it's a modern formation that excites me. And Our squad is suited to this formation for many reasons... 5. Constable becomes a real threat when there are players playing off him, but gets very frustrated up top on his own. 6. Only Cole is an out and out winger I believe... 5. This can easily happen with 3 up front when the two wide players have to drop back as the midfield is so narrow. Playing 2 up front would mean Constable would always have a strike partner (and is the ideal formation to get the best out of Midson). 6. Potter can easily play a traditional winger role on the right side. 4-3-3 is definitely the way to go. Constable is a bit Rooney like in that he gets crowded out with another forward close by. For as long as Beano is our main striker I think we have to go three up - with only one central - and rely on the direct approach. Midson looks comfortable out left and I'd start with him and have the likes of Potter, Cole and Deering ready to come off the bench and exploit the tiredness of the opposition. Our natural width will come from Batt and Tonkin and with three genuine midfielders strewn across the middle this will enable them to push on higher up without the fear of leaving us too exposed. Batt, in particular, is often at the heart of some of our most exciting forrays forward and he pings over a decent ball too.
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Post by psquared on Aug 4, 2010 13:14:50 GMT
I think Beano does best when the ball is played in front of him, not as a target man for others. So for the long ball from the back we need Matty or Jack to make the flick ons. When attacking down the flanks we need the fullbacks bombing on and delivering the ball in the box, with a midfielder filling in in case of counter attack. For the controlled passes from midfield we need the ball in the inside left/right channels, either for someone to turn the ball across to our man Beano to blast it into the net or for the Maestro himself to take a strike at goal.
Simples!
4-3-3 should to the trick.
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Post by OxYellow on Aug 4, 2010 15:10:57 GMT
I like 4-3-3 because it's a modern formation that excites me. And Our squad is suited to this formation for many reasons... 1. We have Pace and attacking threat at full back. 2. We have loads of midfielders - who seem to very aware of their defensive duties when the full backs bomb on. 3. We have lots of pace and guile upfront with Green, Cole, Deering and Potter who have the ability to really cause some trouble. let them worry about us I say. 4. We can become very compact at the drop of a hat with Green and Cole for example dropping deeper to crowd the midfield - and play a real wide counter attacking game away from home. 5. Constable becomes a real threat when there are players playing off him, but gets very frustrated up top on his own. 6. Only Cole is an out and out winger I believe...So is Alfie Potter. Also has been mentioned previously in this thread that we would possibly have Philliskirk playing off of Beano upfront, can anyone really see Matt Green missing out on a starting place to a Chelsea reserve teenager? I certainly cant! As we have played 4-3-3 in the pre-season games when all of the first team have featured i think it will be the same at Burton.. Clarke
Batt Creighton Worley Tonkin
Hall Bulman Heslop
Green Constable Midson
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Post by ed on Aug 4, 2010 16:15:44 GMT
The formation that seems to get a lot of high level manager excited these days is 4-2-3-1. You basically have two holding midfielders playing just in front of the back four and then four attack-minded players. You can easily fit in two wingers and a second striker to make it look like a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-3 but the key is to have your two holding midfielders playing very disciplined. Quite a few teams in the world cup lined up like this. yep. i think spain played like this. the upshot has been many observers, there is a guy who is an expert on tactics, jonathan wilson i think, and managers, to proclaim the death of the striker. well, not the death, but certainly sides are now going with only one out-and-out striker. of course, it helps when you have messi, iniesta, xabi. Villa for example played wide left in that team and later on, up front on his own could be the way to go for us. we're blessed with ball players in the middle of the park
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Post by irishterrier on Aug 4, 2010 19:44:19 GMT
clarke batt tonkin beast wosley/wright
bully hall heslop
plod green midson
subs deering,potter,cole,wosley/wright,
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