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Post by tatabanya on Aug 3, 2010 10:11:11 GMT
People seem to really struggle to understand why we are still looking at midfielders when we already have so many. For me it should be pretty clear that if there is a player available who is a cut above any other contracted players then it is a no brainer. If we are under our wage budget then great! Trust Mr. Wilder, I am sure that he knows what he is doing. Sawyer sounds like he has the quality to be that cut above so if the Messiah thinks he can sort his attitude out then lets get him in!!
On the Phillipskirk subject, we need to stop analysing why we have signed him. It does not matter where Chelsea say he plays, Chris Wilder has said that he is striker in this squad so that is where he will play. If he is not good enough up top then he is only here for a month and by then we will have a better idea of whether our squad is complete.
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 3, 2010 10:15:19 GMT
Maybe Chelsea have requested that Philliskirk plays in a withdrawn striker role to see if he is capable of playing there, and it was part of the loan agreement with Chris Wilder? If there is space in the squad, and we can improve as a team with varied options, then I don't see the problem.
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Post by Pogue Mahone on Aug 3, 2010 10:20:56 GMT
Actually, how many midfielders do we have, remembering we play 3 across the middle with Potter, Deering and Cole being wingers?
Bulman
Clist
Heslop
Hall
Sawyer
Baker
Who else am I missing?
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Post by edgecam on Aug 3, 2010 10:30:35 GMT
Actually, how many midfielders do we have, remembering we play 3 across the middle with Potter, Deering and Cole being wingers? Bulman Clist Heslop Hall SawyerBaker Who else am I missing? Have i missed something, has Sawyer signed? |
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Post by Agadoo on Aug 3, 2010 10:34:21 GMT
People seem to really struggle to understand why we are still looking at midfielders when we already have so many. For me it should be pretty clear that if there is a player available who is a cut above any other contracted players then it is a no brainer. If we are under our wage budget then great! Trust Mr. Wilder, I am sure that he knows what he is doing. Sawyer sounds like he has the quality to be that cut above so if the Messiah thinks he can sort his attitude out then lets get him in!! On the Phillipskirk subject, we need to stop analysing why we have signed him. It does not matter where Chelsea say he plays, Chris Wilder has said that he is striker in this squad so that is where he will play. If he is not good enough up top then he is only here for a month and by then we will have a better idea of whether our squad is complete. Well that told us, back in your boxes everyone.... |
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Post by Barmy Army on Aug 3, 2010 10:43:51 GMT
People seem to really struggle to understand why we are still looking at midfielders when we already have so many. For me it should be pretty clear that if there is a player available who is a cut above any other contracted players then it is a no brainer. If we are under our wage budget then great! Trust Mr. Wilder, I am sure that he knows what he is doing. Sawyer sounds like he has the quality to be that cut above so if the Messiah thinks he can sort his attitude out then lets get him in!! On the Phillipskirk subject, we need to stop analysing why we have signed him. It does not matter where Chelsea say he plays, Chris Wilder has said that he is striker in this squad so that is where he will play. If he is not good enough up top then he is only here for a month and by then we will have a better idea of whether our squad is complete. Not sure i agree with this, we play 3 in midfield and with Philiskirk have 6 in the squad, Sawyer would make 7. We play 3 up front and have 3 strikers. Potter, Deering and Cole are wingers/impact players imo. 7 midfielders wont be much use if Beano is suspended, Green or Midson are injured and there is no money in the budget to get another striker in on loan. I accept that Midson played centrally against Histon (i think) at home and deering and Potter played either side and it looked good but think there will be harder challenges ahead if we went down that route this year. |
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 3, 2010 10:52:24 GMT
I agree with that on the face of it but we are purely speculating on where people are going to play and in what system. I am sure Wilder knows what he is doing.
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Post by edgecam on Aug 3, 2010 10:59:35 GMT
Saturday will tell, all of this speculating is just that speculation. Interesting to read peoples views but I do not see any point in failing out over it. It will not change Wilders views.
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Post by Millman on Aug 3, 2010 11:03:09 GMT
If there is money left to spend it makes sense to spend it on the area we are weak which is strikers. It makes no sense to sign or even look at more midfielders even if they are slightly better than the ones we have.
It must be remembered that many of our players are now on long contracts so getting rid of anyone we replace may be very difficult. Also if genuinely there are better players out there why the heck did we rush in and sign lesser players? It all smacks of the scatter gun approach that Wilder is occasionally prone to (Rhodes, Kelly etc etc).
We have more than enough cover of midfielders who are capable of doing each of the jobs in a 433 or a 442 formation. What we also have is only 4 strikers none with much league experience. One is a totally unproven kid. Another finds it very difficult to find the net. Given we play a front three and given what we have seem regarding our finishing (bar Beano) this is a concern. The Phillishirk option is a risk as it always is playing a player out of position. Also he is another player without experience.
Now I'm not saying none of this will work, but we do seem to be taking chances here. Also we run the risk of repeating past mistakes (continual team changes, and players who are signed but never play).
I would be happy to start the season now with what we have (I would have been even happier if Philishirk had been a proper striker with a little league experience). The first team should be fixed now. We should not mess further with the squad until Jan where if anything we may need to look for strikers.
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Post by headlesspnub on Aug 3, 2010 11:59:53 GMT
Can you sense the nerves are creeping in?
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Post by yelloexile on Aug 3, 2010 12:06:36 GMT
Can you sense the nerves are creeping in? What.......with 4 days.....1 hour......55 mins to go? |
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Post by Out of the gloom on Aug 3, 2010 13:21:20 GMT
Less worried about the need for an extra midfielder than the perpetual tinkering to find one. Sawyer is the sixth trialist since the squad returned from Scotland. So many is confusing and distracting. Hopefully it is not so for players and coaches.
Moralising aside, a trial is an opportunity given. Take it and you get another. Keep impressing you get signed e.g. Franks. None of the below apparently did enough.
Trialists:
Sawyer 75 mins v Banbury
A Triallist (Gill) full match v City
Guerendez full match v Brackley
C Triantis 74 mins v Brackley
P Triantis 74 mins v Brackley
Martin 64 mins v Brackley
Crockford 2nd half v Didcot
Additionally, 3 members of the youth team have also been involved:
West sub not used v Leicester, 2nd half sub v Brackley and 2nd half sub v Banbury
McDonagh 2nd half sub v Brackley and 2nd half sub v Banbury
Connor 2nd half sub v Banbury
Not resting on your laurels is an important quality in a manager. However it would be great to see more of this directed to bringing existing players on, as opposed to bringing new players in.
Yes I am nervous. In Wilder we trust...
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Post by Tony W on Aug 3, 2010 13:35:53 GMT
Personally, I think our squad is fine. We have plenty of cover for our three central midfield slots. Obviously cover in goal and defense. The question people keep coming back to is the forward strength - but when we play 4-3-3, then good attacking wingers should be able to slide seemlessly into those wide positions. So for the two wide roles in our front three we have more than enough cover (Green, Midson, Potter, Deering, Cole and now Philliskirk). The only position where we have a question mark over our depth is the one central striker. If Beano were to get injured or suspended, then Midson is our only other real option there - and there's obviously some divergence of opinion on here as to whether he's good enough to fill that role (I'm also somewhat sceptical as to whether he's got what it takes to step up into the league). But it's only an issue if Beano gets injured or suspended. If he stays healthy and bangs in another 26, we're absolutely fine. If the worst does happen - then Midson gets his chance, and if he's not good enough to take it, we bring someone else in. It's all good!  |
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 3, 2010 13:37:40 GMT
Yep! The nerves are starting to jangle!
Great ennit!
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Post by Lone Gunman on Aug 3, 2010 16:40:19 GMT
On the subject of wingers, of the three we have, and I admit i am basing this on no real evidence other than a gut feeling, I think Deering is being groomed as a striker by wilder. He certainly has an eye for goal and has scored a couple in pre season.
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