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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 9:30:12 GMT
This appointment of KD shows how romance virtually over shadows everything in football. No fan, in their right mind, should welcome a manager who has had one managerial job in the last 20 years and failed spectacularly at it. It makes no sense on the face of it, just as Malcolm Shotton coming here didn't if you looked at it logically, but we fans love a returning hero but how often does it work ? Especially second time around and with the club in a desperate hole. Last time KD came in a man on he street could have taken over and had the same success, it was ready made for him. The 'Boot Room' mentality was still there and continuity was very much the name of the game at Anfield.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 9, 2011 9:36:47 GMT
This appointment of KD shows how romance virtually over shadows everything in football. No fan, in their right mind, should welcome a manager who has had one managerial job in the last 20 years and failed spectacularly at it. It makes no sense on the face of it, just as Malcolm Shotton coming here didn't if you looked at it logically, but we fans love a returning hero but how often does it work ? Especially second time around and with the club in a desperate hole. Last time KD came in a man on he street could have taken over and had the same success, it was ready made for him. The 'Boot Room' mentality was still there and continuity was very much the name of the game at Anfield. Apart from this inuendo, this is a good post and sums up how football is more about the heart than the head.
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Post by OxYellow on Jan 9, 2011 9:43:55 GMT
Wander who the Liverpool fans will blame next when they realise Dalglish isn't the answer to their problems! liverpool going for the easy option appointing him with his legend status in order to keep their miserable fans happy.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 9, 2011 10:02:30 GMT
Was Benitez that bad? He got them to 2nd in the league and won the fa cup and champions league.
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Post by Cobi Jones on Jan 9, 2011 10:38:19 GMT
Was Benitez that bad? He got them to 2nd in the league and won the fa cup and champions league. Problem is he lost it in the transfer market - eg. he thought that paying £7m for Andrea Dossena was a good idea.
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Post by Dichio on Jan 9, 2011 10:42:12 GMT
I actually agree. They have problems that go way, WAY deeper than the manager (not to say Hodgson did a good job, but still). I was reading this morning how Fergie was given four years of rebuilding to get it right at OT. Its unthinkable that a club would give a manager four years today but, on the law of averages, had one of these big four or five been that patient then its possible that similar success might have been achieved. Although years ago, Wenger has also proved how stability can reap rewards. Truth is the fans call the shots at most clubs. I don't care who it is if 40,000 are giving you a hard time week in week out because of the performance of the manager then you will eventually pull the trigger and thats whats happened here. You say he was given 4 years, forgive me if im wrong but wasnt Fergie a game or 2 away from the sack at the start his tenure ?
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Post by HKYellow on Jan 9, 2011 10:47:09 GMT
Martin O'Neill to be next manager within the week if he can get certain conditions from the Liverpool Board. Will sign a 3 1/2 year contract
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 9, 2011 11:08:48 GMT
O'Neill? You sound sure.... ^^^^^
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Post by baldy on Jan 9, 2011 11:42:34 GMT
I was reading this morning how Fergie was given four years of rebuilding to get it right at OT. Its unthinkable that a club would give a manager four years today but, on the law of averages, had one of these big four or five been that patient then its possible that similar success might have been achieved. Although years ago, Wenger has also proved how stability can reap rewards. Truth is the fans call the shots at most clubs. I don't care who it is if 40,000 are giving you a hard time week in week out because of the performance of the manager then you will eventually pull the trigger and thats whats happened here. You say he was given 4 years, forgive me if im wrong but wasnt Fergie a game or 2 away from the sack at the start his tenure ? Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that.
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 9, 2011 12:34:14 GMT
You say he was given 4 years, forgive me if im wrong but wasnt Fergie a game or 2 away from the sack at the start his tenure ? Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that. Fergie brought in loads of duds at the start, Phelan was shit, Danny Wallace, Neil Webb etc. and he kept faith in that crap Scottish keeper who's name escapes me
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Post by Cobi Jones on Jan 9, 2011 12:36:42 GMT
Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that. Fergie brought in loads of duds at the start, Phelan was shit, Danny Wallace, Neil Webb etc. and he kept faith in that c rap Scottish keeper who's name escapes meJim Leighton?
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 9, 2011 12:49:35 GMT
Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that. Fergie brought in loads of duds at the start, Phelan was shit, Danny Wallace, Neil Webb etc. and he kept faith in that crap Scottish keeper who's name escapes me Oh Pat Sharp......
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 9, 2011 12:52:22 GMT
Was Benitez that bad? He got them to 2nd in the league and won the fa cup and champions league. He wasn't that bad but he didn't improve them after Houllier, it was Houllier's team that won the CL and they never looked like title challengers even the season they finished 2nd
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Post by ConcreteBob on Jan 9, 2011 12:52:50 GMT
You say he was given 4 years, forgive me if im wrong but wasnt Fergie a game or 2 away from the sack at the start his tenure ? Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that. Out of interest, who did you support on the day of "Fergie"'s first game in charge?
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Post by Dichio on Jan 9, 2011 14:42:36 GMT
You say he was given 4 years, forgive me if im wrong but wasnt Fergie a game or 2 away from the sack at the start his tenure ? Not that I'm aware of. The club was in a state, similar to Liverpool now, and I think the board back then realised that it would take a year or two to clear out the dead wood before he could make his mark. It all took off the summer he brought in Bruce, Pallister, Phelan, Irwin and then added Ince, Parker, Schmiechel and Kanchelskis. Although times have changed a bit the core of that side was good, solid players who served the club for years and Ferguson just added on to it with flamboyant players like Cantona. I don't think the core of the current Liverpool is much, if any, weaker than the spine of that Man U era. Where they go drastically wrong is with the finishing touches. They can never find the right additions to play alongside Carragher, compliment Gerrard in the middle and link with Torres up top. With that backbone and the leg up they've had with that Champions League victory Liverpool really should have gone on and at the very least shared the domination Man U and Chelsea have enjoyed in the past five years. Too many ordinary foreign imports, simple as that. Was a long time ago and i wasnt that sure but having had a quick surf he was apparently 1 game from the sack but was saved by an away win at forest in the cup, December 89 he described as the darkest period of his time at OT. I dont think it matters who you are or how many years plan you have, if results arent up to it your a goner, even truer these days than in the past.
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Post by chris1986 on Jan 9, 2011 14:51:26 GMT
Hopefully Liverpool will have the same outcome as Jim coming back to us. Would be a great source of entertainment seeing them get relegated!
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