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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 0:11:33 GMT
Hodgson gone tonight if my (weak) sources are to be believed. It has to be a dead cert though. Ralf Rangnick would be a great shout to come in. The clamour for Dalglish or a bigger name will be strong but Rangnick matches NESV's plan for the future.
Hodgson could be joined by Ancelotti, Grant and Houllier in the job centre in the not too distant future.
We'll sort predictions for their replacements when confirmed.
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Post by chris1986 on Jan 6, 2011 0:15:02 GMT
Stick Allardyce in at Liverpool and see what happens, can't get much worse.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 0:17:36 GMT
He wouldn't get in the door. Not just because he's a podgy one but because he is detested by all at the club. Besides, he's destined for Real Madrid...  |
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Post by sam1985 on Jan 6, 2011 0:41:09 GMT
Rangnick would be a good appointment. Rijkaard would also be great, at least Liverpool supporters would never be disappointed with his style of football.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 0:45:23 GMT
He'd have to come with Henk Ten Cate though. He was the key to their successful partnership. Rangnick plays similarly attractive football so he could be the way forward.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 6, 2011 4:53:27 GMT
It'll be Dalglish if not Rafa. If it is then we can all sit back and laugh at the Scousers having their idol(s) back in charge.
Rafa left the hodgson with the majority of the squad that is now struggling ... Unless of coarse the players can't be arsed to perform for RH
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Post by baldy on Jan 6, 2011 9:19:42 GMT
People will poo poo this but one man who could reignite Liverpool in an absolute instant would be Keegan. I couldn't be sure that as a long term appointment he would have the staying power but I'd choose Keegan over Dalgleish if it was something short term. You are guaranteed some exciting players and a freedom to get out and play and excite the fans. Liverpool are just drifting, if not sinking, and they need a personality as much as anything to shake it up.
Keegan would also give the option of something longer term if it was all settling down and going smoothly. I'll chuck another name in the hat - John Aldridge. Another mundane appointment could kill Liverpool for years and years and I reckon the fans are crying out for a bit of footballing romance and appointment that they can relate too.
There are plenty of good coaches like Saunders, Thompson, Toshack, Lee, Beardsley with Liverpool roots who could come in and compliment the right man and restore a bit of the traditional boot room mentality at Liveropool.
That club could be rocking with a bit of bravery from the board.
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Post by amarillo on Jan 6, 2011 10:04:28 GMT
I reckon he might just survive. If the owners have any sense (which admittedly is doubtful) they will give him til the end of the season.
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 6, 2011 11:29:26 GMT
Feel very sorry for Roy. His reputation has been ruined due to the fact that he took over a sinking ship of a formerly great club with players that nowhere near matched their ambitions. What he was expected to do for the first 6 months of his reign is beyond me. He has to be given some time.
Liverpool have Oxford syndrome of thinking they should, by right, be in the top 4. No manager in the world could get that group of players in the top 4.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 12:56:39 GMT
Very little of that side has changed since Liverpool came 2nd in the Premier League and beat Real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate. It's a strange myth that these players are useless. They have been for Hodgson but his negativity has done little to play to the strengths of his players. He was never the right appointment. His career record away from home is miserable and evidence that his problems are not at Liverpool alone. The 'Blame Rafa' line is an odd one pushed by certain members of the media. If Benitez had done what Roy has, the media would be in uproar.
Amarillo, the sensible thing for the owners wouldn't be to keep him. They can't risk the unrest and falling attendances that are accompanying his reign. Nothing good will come of letting the manager waste money in January before blundering towards a finish in the lower half of the table. He's lost the fans, some of the media and by the looks of it, the players. He'll do a very good job at a lower placed team but he can't continue at Liverpool.
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 6, 2011 14:02:18 GMT
Very little of that side has changed since Liverpool came 2nd in the Premier League and beat Real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate. It's a strange myth that these players are useless. They have been for Hodgson but his negativity has done little to play to the strengths of his players. He was never the right appointment. His career record away from home is miserable and evidence that his problems are not at Liverpool alone. The 'Blame Rafa' line is an odd one pushed by certain members of the media. If Benitez had done what Roy has, the media would be in uproar. Amarillo, the sensible thing for the owners wouldn't be to keep him. They can't risk the unrest and falling attendances that are accompanying his reign. Nothing good will come of letting the manager waste money in January before blundering towards a finish in the lower half of the table. He's lost the fans, some of the media and by the looks of it, the players. He'll do a very good job at a lower placed team but he can't continue at Liverpool. I don't agree with that at all, Benitez was the negative manager and they finished 7th last season so the rot had clearly set in. Benitez had the backing, spent all the money and left it to the next manager to make the best of it with what was left. He didn't leave Hodgson a fantastic squad, it was poor and engineered to work for Benitez's dull tactics. Hodgson is a better manager than Benitez. The job he did at Liverpool was questionable given the money spent and he was poor at Inter. Hodgson did okay with Inter and has managed all over Europe, he hasn't just become a bad manager, he has a world class CV. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 6, 2011 14:12:24 GMT
^^^^^ just manager of a poorly performing bunch of overpaid "stars", and would you say SAF or Wenger could get more out of current Liverpool squad?
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 16:22:13 GMT
Yes, I would. Hodgson's 'world class' CV has an appalling away record within English football whether at Liverpool, Fulham or Blackburn. You don't get a record like his at different clubs if there isn't something wrong in your style. The football played by Benitez's side was vastly more adventurous than the football played by Hodgson. Route one football with a deep defence is fine at Fulham but won't ever be accepted at Liverpool.
I understand that the media like to back their English manager but Benitez constructed a team that came 2nd. Many of those players remain. Even if a rot did set in, Hodgson hasn't got a hope of finishing 7th. Whoever comes in will get more from this squad and not waste money like Hodgson has. I'm sorry but he's failed. The players haven't performed but he's got the motivational skills of a beetroot. You don't lose to Northampton, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn and escape blameless.
You're as entitled to your opinions as I am to mine but having watched a lot of Liverpool this season, it's been dire and a lot worse than it was last season.
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 6, 2011 16:28:02 GMT
Yes, I would. Hodgson's 'world class' CV has an appalling away record within English football whether at Liverpool, Fulham or Blackburn. You don't get a record like his at different clubs if there isn't something wrong in your style. The football played by Benitez's side was vastly more adventurous than the football played by Hodgson. Route one football with a deep defence is fine at Fulham but won't ever be accepted at Liverpool. I understand that the media like to back their English manager but Benitez constructed a team that came 2nd. Many of those players remain. Even if a rot did set in, Hodgson hasn't got a hope of finishing 7th. Whoever comes in will get more from this squad and not waste money like Hodgson has. I'm sorry but he's failed. The players haven't performed but he's got the motivational skills of a beetroot. You don't lose to Northampton, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn and escape blameless. You're as entitled to your opinions as I am to mine but having watched a lot of Liverpool this season, it's been dire and a lot worse than it was last season. The players remain but Carragher, Skrtl, Agger, Gerrard and Torres are not playing near that level anymore, and they weren't last season. Agger's defending for Benjani's second yesterday was woeful. What can Hodgson do about that? Stevie G misses a pen, what can Hodgson do about that. I think a fresh start is probably needed and the squad needs to be torn apart with dead wood cleared. This means getting rid of Hodgson, but if I were him I would feel incredibly let down by the club, the fans and the players. |
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Post by amarillo on Jan 6, 2011 16:32:41 GMT
I haven't seen Liverpool play much under Hodgson, but in my opinion you need to give any manager a bit of time to get things working. Liverpool were in turmoil when he took over and its simply too early to say that he has failed. You may be right that he's not the man for the job, but the owners clearly thought he was a few months ago.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 16:42:15 GMT
He wasn't appointed by these owners. It was the Greek who let Benjani score, not Agger. Agger wasn't on the pitch.
Last night was a shambles defensively and to be fair, nobody is blaming Hodgson for Johnson's two errors or Kyrgiakos and Skrtel's inability to defend. It was the nature of the attacking football that frustrates people most.
I feel for Hodgson because he shouldn't have been there in the first place but saying he should be given time is wrong. Liverpool look less organised at the back than they did last season, less imaginative going forwards and confused as to whether they're to play long ball or not as it changes week by week.
This debate only really gets resolved when he's gone but I genuinely believe it will improve. I'm not beating the Dalglish drum but he'd get the players going at the very least.
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 6, 2011 21:16:13 GMT
Sorry but Dalglish would be another backward step
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Post by OxYellow on Jan 6, 2011 21:43:41 GMT
Who is Ralf Rangnick?? never heard of him..
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Post by berliner on Jan 6, 2011 22:15:36 GMT
Rangnick plays good attractive football the way it is supposed to be played...with the right players at his disposal he could be a good appointment. However, he likes things done his way...he resigned from Hoffenheim because they sold a player to Bayern against his will, so he has integrity, but always seems to be affected by "stronger-willed" chairman. No chance he will up and leave (job or no job) if he doesnt get full control...
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 6, 2011 22:21:53 GMT
I think Henry and Werner would be good for him. Berliner, how do you feel he would work with Comolli? Would that partnership work.
OxYellow, go through my twitter and there is a link to my piece that could help. Gives you basics at the very least.
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