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Post by Long John Silver on Dec 10, 2010 16:49:45 GMT
So if Wilder needs to rant & rave post-match about whatever he wants - it doesn't bother me. He could launch into a 20 minute diatribe about what a tw*t the guy in KK143 was, and I wouldn't care less as long as the team was properly prepared and motivated for the next game. I bet you'd care if your seat number was KK143 !
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Post by Tony W on Dec 10, 2010 19:54:32 GMT
So if Wilder needs to rant & rave post-match about whatever he wants - it doesn't bother me. He could launch into a 20 minute diatribe about what a tw*t the guy in KK143 was, and I wouldn't care less as long as the team was properly prepared and motivated for the next game. I bet you'd care if your seat number was KK143 ! Ummmm....my seat number is KK143. That was kind of my point! ;D
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Post by charliesghost on Dec 13, 2010 8:54:03 GMT
Total nonsense. Garbage. Crap. Tell me when Wenger slated his own fans (and my God, he could have every excuse to?). And Fergie? Oh yeah, he slates Man U fans all the time (not). Harry Redknapp? Nope. And you say there's no correlation between slagging off your fans and success? Bonkers. I've heard each and every of the sides mentioned above booed off this season! And they're top of the bloody Premiership, not going through five match losing streaks in League 2!! Get real. Losing your temper and your control on a regular basis in public has every correlation with bad performance, in almost every form of management. It denotes a lack of real inner belief, a lack of ability to manage yourself and an inability to see the big picture. Ok in a performer - not in a manager. That's not to say that no top manager ever loses his temper. They do - but to a useful end, often (as with Ferguson) calibrated carefully in advance. Rather odd logic there, Charlie. Nothing you have said proves any causality between talking to the press & performance on the pitch. I've not heard Avram Grant, Mick McCarthy or Roberto Martinez saying anything bad about their fans either - despite some extraordinary provocation in the former's case. Mick may have lost it a couple of times regarding tackles but the other two are models of self-control. And it's not transferring itself into on-pitch excellence. Ian Holloway talks absolute gibberish to the press all the time, has lost it on a number of occasions and yet is doing an extraordinary job. And anyways - all that is talking about the Premiership - which isn't hugely relevant to the discussion. There, we're talking about a bunch of managers who've had a lot of time to hone their media skills - whether as high profile players or managers. It's a bit more rough & ready down in League Two. So if Wilder needs to rant & rave post-match about whatever he wants - it doesn't bother me. He could launch into a 20 minute diatribe about what a tw*t the guy in KK143 was, and I wouldn't care less as long as the team was properly prepared and motivated for the next game. But then I'm naturally going to downplay the importance of media more than you aren't I! No. My logic is immaculate. Successful managers do not slag offn their customer base. Whether in the Premiership or elsewhere. They do not do so because there is absolutely no upside in doing so to their employer, and plenty of downside. You have not adduced even one example of a successful manager this season slating his own fans! Show me the logic of your position. You cite Ian Holloway, and his rather endearing west country analogies/ diatribes against the FA etc. But where does THAT harm his club. Nowhere - rather, it is forming a distinctive, harmless "us against them" mentality for Blackpool to wear against the so-called establishment. Whereas, Wilder doesn't rant against refs much - good - or against the opposition much, but really reserves his ire for OUFC fans. You say that's fine; I say it's bloody unpleasant, counter-productive and unprofessional. Let's just say, if your management philosophy is that that is fine, Tony, I'm glad you don't manage my business!
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Post by Yellowbrains on Dec 13, 2010 23:31:25 GMT
Rather odd logic there, Charlie. Nothing you have said proves any causality between talking to the press & performance on the pitch. I've not heard Avram Grant, Mick McCarthy or Roberto Martinez saying anything bad about their fans either - despite some extraordinary provocation in the former's case. Mick may have lost it a couple of times regarding tackles but the other two are models of self-control. And it's not transferring itself into on-pitch excellence. Ian Holloway talks absolute gibberish to the press all the time, has lost it on a number of occasions and yet is doing an extraordinary job. And anyways - all that is talking about the Premiership - which isn't hugely relevant to the discussion. There, we're talking about a bunch of managers who've had a lot of time to hone their media skills - whether as high profile players or managers. It's a bit more rough & ready down in League Two. So if Wilder needs to rant & rave post-match about whatever he wants - it doesn't bother me. He could launch into a 20 minute diatribe about what a tw*t the guy in KK143 was, and I wouldn't care less as long as the team was properly prepared and motivated for the next game. But then I'm naturally going to downplay the importance of media more than you aren't I! No. My logic is immaculate. Successful managers do not slag offn their customer base. Whether in the Premiership or elsewhere. They do not do so because there is absolutely no upside in doing so to their employer, and plenty of downside. You have not adduced even one example of a successful manager this season slating his own fans! Show me the logic of your position. You cite Ian Holloway, and his rather endearing west country analogies/ diatribes against the FA etc. But where does THAT harm his club. Nowhere - rather, it is forming a distinctive, harmless "us against them" mentality for Blackpool to wear against the so-called establishment. Whereas, Wilder doesn't rant against refs much - good - or against the opposition much, but really reserves his ire for OUFC fans. You say that's fine; I say it's bloody unpleasant, counter-productive and unprofessional. Let's just say, if your management philosophy is that that is fine, Tony, I'm glad you don't manage my business! www.yellows.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=management&action=display&thread=3810
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Post by scoob on Dec 13, 2010 23:38:27 GMT
No. My logic is immaculate. Successful managers do not slag offn their customer base. Whether in the Premiership or elsewhere. They do not do so because there is absolutely no upside in doing so to their employer, and plenty of downside. You have not adduced even one example of a successful manager this season slating his own fans! Show me the logic of your position. You cite Ian Holloway, and his rather endearing west country analogies/ diatribes against the FA etc. But where does THAT harm his club. Nowhere - rather, it is forming a distinctive, harmless "us against them" mentality for Blackpool to wear against the so-called establishment. Whereas, Wilder doesn't rant against refs much - good - or against the opposition much, but really reserves his ire for OUFC fans. You say that's fine; I say it's bloody unpleasant, counter-productive and unprofessional. Let's just say, if your management philosophy is that that is fine, Tony, I'm glad you don't manage my business! www.yellows.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=management&action=display&thread=3810For a moment I though you really was Charlie's ghost but he is far more eloquent but you do have his propensity to exagerate. Storm in you best bone china. Get over this and yourself.
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Post by Sheik Djibouti on Dec 14, 2010 9:58:31 GMT
"Successful managers don't slag off their customer base"
Unless of course it's Brian Clough who just twatted them instead. ;D
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Post by dannyc on Dec 14, 2010 14:32:26 GMT
id say robert Maxwell was
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