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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Nov 25, 2010 23:08:13 GMT
We don't have any divine right to win any league just because we're traditionally a relatively big club. Being a relatively big club doesn't mean you have better players or even necessarily more money. The fact that we're a big club is totally irrelevant in terms of success given the past 20/30 years we've had.
Our form was good the first half of this year, not average. Just because it wasn't quite as good as last year doesn't mean it's average.
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Post by SuperOx on Nov 26, 2010 7:54:36 GMT
Harsh - CW has turned this club around in under two years. We were a laughing stock under Jim and then Patto and losing vast sums of money and trapped in a non-league wilderness. His winning promotion (the first 'gaffer' in years to be succesful) means he should be afforded a massive amount of slack. The suggestion that CW should be sacked is barmy. Ridiculous even. He should be backed! I don't disagree but it's how you measure that success. For a club our size being in the top 5 of the conference is no great feat when there's so many mickey mouse clubs there. Look how we've struggled in a more competitive league this season. He galvanised the side for the play offs and for that we are gratefull but our overall form over the whole season especially towards the end was average. Perhaps ludy luck was smiling on him in May but now it's run out and he's finally come up short. Did lady luck smile on Torquay and Paul Buckle then? You could substitute the words Paul Buckle for every criticism of Chris Wilder. Buckle was a "dead man walking" at times last season but he worked hard, made difficult decisions, got players working incredibly hard and he turned things around. The chairman stayed strong. Torquay (on a small budget) are playing good football and played Wycombe "off the park" on Tuesday night according to Chairboys boss Gary Waddock. For me, the players have now set a standard but they must approach games positively and work their backsides off and then the good players we have, can express themselves. CW has a very talented group of players; yes, he sure has to manage and motivate them but they have to work like trojans if they are to get the right results and be successful. The wins against Chesterfield and Port Vale are cases in point.
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Post by slimjonners on Nov 26, 2010 8:34:01 GMT
got to keep the faith - sackings and changes unsettle teams and ignoring the standard honeymoon period are typically the wrong call.
This is our first year back in the FL and Rome wasn't built i a day!
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Post by Londonroader on Nov 26, 2010 9:03:32 GMT
I still think he has until Christmas before a decision can be made. One win is great, but what if he loses the next three!!! So far his record is not great in this league and he still has a lot to prove. So many weird decision and team selections have taken place this season that for me the jury is still out. I realy, really hope he gets it right, firstly because of what he did last season,and secondly for the sake of the club. I would go along with that reasoning.
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Post by Agadoo on Nov 26, 2010 11:06:58 GMT
We don't have any divine right to win any league just because we're traditionally a relatively big club. Being a relatively big club doesn't mean you have better players or even necessarily more money. The fact that we're a big club is totally irrelevant in terms of success given the past 20/30 years we've had. Our form was good the first half of this year, not average. Just because it wasn't quite as good as last year doesn't mean it's average. No it's not, it's completely relevant. Like Leeds being League 1, they shouldn't be there, their natural place is higher. If Torquay teeter around the bottom of league 2 and the conference that's okay because they are a tinpot small club so that's normal. They've never been in the top flight or won a major trophy. Oxford United should never have been playing the likes of Histon and Ebbsfleet and promotion was retribution not success. Every club is built on it's history. Man Utd are the biggest club because of the fan base built up over decades of success started in the 50's and 60's, without that they wouldn't be the same club.
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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Nov 27, 2010 11:52:47 GMT
We don't have any divine right to win any league just because we're traditionally a relatively big club. Being a relatively big club doesn't mean you have better players or even necessarily more money. The fact that we're a big club is totally irrelevant in terms of success given the past 20/30 years we've had. Our form was good the first half of this year, not average. Just because it wasn't quite as good as last year doesn't mean it's average. No it's not, it's completely relevant. Like Leeds being League 1, they shouldn't be there, their natural place is higher. If Torquay teeter around the bottom of league 2 and the conference that's okay because they are a tinpot small club so that's normal. They've never been in the top flight or won a major trophy. Oxford United should never have been playing the likes of Histon and Ebbsfleet and promotion was retribution not success. Every club is built on it's history. Man Utd are the biggest club because of the fan base built up over decades of success started in the 50's and 60's, without that they wouldn't be the same club. I don't disagree with you, but you can't judge that as a milestone for Chris Wilder's success. Otherwise, the moment we were resigned to the playoffs in the BSP he should have been sacked. As long as he takes us forward, however, slowly that may be (and I can't see it being that slowly) then we've got to accept that he's a good manager for us, plain and simple, same with any club in the league or out.
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