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Post by tatabanya on Nov 22, 2010 15:01:12 GMT
Hello! [knock knock] hello anyone in? WE DON'T NEED A NEW FUC.ING MANAGER. Just a change of tactics/formation.We have good players, just a bit of luck[flukey goal etc] will bring back the confidence factor, all CW needs to do is rip up the 4-3-3 bollocks and get back to basics. But the current manager cannot work out the right tactics / formation because if he could we wouldn't even be having this debate He needs to be given time. Remember before Saturday we had improved at both Burton and Rotherham. |
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Post by SuperOx on Nov 22, 2010 15:06:47 GMT
Penney has Oxford in his heart, he played in front of the London Road, he knows what this club demands. Wilder has only got non league experience Didn't Jim Smith have Oxford in his heart? Didn't Jamie Cook know what the Yellow shirt means. Wasn't Malcolm Shotton's return to the club the second coming? Wasn't Gilly going to return and lead us to a bounce straight back to the league? Didn't Mark Wright bleed yellow and blue? Wasn't Dennis Smith's heroic return going to stop our free fall down the leagues? Wake up. Ditto Hugh Curran, Paul Moody and Nigel Jemson. NEVER GO BACK ! |
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Post by Nick Merry's Socks on Nov 22, 2010 15:16:36 GMT
Penney is not an Oxford legend unlike Shotton, Smith etc. He is proven at this level and plays good football. He is the obvious candidate and we should act now before Mansfield appoint him.
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Post by Agadoo on Nov 22, 2010 15:28:02 GMT
Didn't Jim Smith have Oxford in his heart? Didn't Jamie Cook know what the Yellow shirt means. Wasn't Malcolm Shotton's return to the club the second coming? Wasn't Gilly going to return and lead us to a bounce straight back to the league? Didn't Mark Wright bleed yellow and blue? Wasn't Dennis Smith's heroic return going to stop our free fall down the leagues? Wake up. NEVER GO BACK ! I didn't know they were managers for Oxford? The only ex player who has managed us was Shotton who wasn't that bad under the circumstances but Shotton didn't have previous experience as a manager whereas Penney has. |
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 22, 2010 15:34:16 GMT
He needs to be given time. Remember before Saturday we had improved at both Burton and Rotherham. The first half at Burton we were absolutely appalling. Better in the second - but that's not saying much. If Rotherham was better (and it was in parts) it was still way off good enough - we were still second best by quite a way. We then dipped again to a new level of incompetence on Saturday! I think he's got until the end of the calendar year to turn it round. If not, I suspect another manager will be brought in in time to take at least some advantage of the January transfer window. None of that fills me with joyful anticipation, and I just hope that things improve enough by then that we will all be able to look back on these conversations and have a little grin. But I'm not holding my breath. |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Nov 22, 2010 15:49:09 GMT
No one mentioned Jim Magilton on here yet, although someone did on Rage Online. Wonder why?
Anyway, I'm sticking with CW.
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Post by Agadoo on Nov 22, 2010 16:10:18 GMT
Does Magilton know the lower leagues? No (not that i'm aware of)
Was he a success at Ipswich? No
Was he a success at QPR? No
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Post by klimt on Nov 22, 2010 16:38:15 GMT
How disrespectful. We have a manager and a bloody good one so all this talk of replacements is both moronic and disrepectful
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Post by wizzard on Nov 22, 2010 19:41:10 GMT
Its all very well saying we dont need a new manager just a change in formation/tactics.
Hello these are Wilders formations and tactics and he's not going to say "Sorry I got it wrong"
He's never wrong.
Just the same as last season,wholesale changes.Except that this season he has started earlier.
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Post by wemnotwembley on Nov 22, 2010 19:58:30 GMT
Wilder's record with Halifax: 437 points gained out of a possible 936.
His supporting role at Bury for 6 months built well on this very ordinary record, and he did well to turn things around in time for us to win promotion (after we frittered away a 5 point lead with a game in hand).
Why haven't we kicked on like Stevenage???
The Barnet game is Wilder's Waterloo - will he be Wellington or Napoleon?
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Post by petechilton on Nov 22, 2010 21:50:42 GMT
Let me just start by saying I am far from happy with how things are with my club (ie. I am NOT stupid). But……………
If people want Chris Wilder out then it’s a sad day as it shows that, like the fans of so many other clubs, we have succumbed to the apparent need to be constantly successful, a state of delusion to be precise. I thought we were better than that but it seems I was wrong.
Just 6 months ago Chris Wilder delivered what we all so desperately wanted – a return to league football and, given that, he deserves more faith and loyalty than most seem willing to give him. The season is just 3 months old yet many consider that’s enough and we should get rid of him.
Almost as soon as we had started our stint as a non-league club back in 2006 most, myself included, formed the view that the Conference was a far better standard than we had previously thought and that there was little difference in quality when compared to League 2. I do wonder now if that was more based on allowing us to feel slightly better about the level to which we had stooped.
Clearly we now know that League 2 is quite a step up from the Conference, the Bury game being a perfect example as we played well yet came away pointless as our opponents took the two clear chances they had.
To suggest that our promotion-winning squad of last season was merely a player or two short of being up to the League 2 challenge is foolish in the extreme and so Wilder set about bringing in better players – not just "brand new" players like Heslop, Purkiss and Hall but also securing permanent deals with the likes of Potter, Wright and Kinniburgh which were universally welcomed.
Chris Wilder has said that there is no room for sentiment in football and he’s right.
Creighton is clearly a conference player - sadly no more than that – and so surely nobody expected him to feature as more than a squad player at best. Worley was the ideal replacement. Similarly Danny Bulman is also now a player to get you out of non-league football rather than sustain your football league status. Josh Payne is a level above.
Jim Smith similarly determined that whilst Steve Biggins had scored the goals that got us promoted from Division 3, we needed better for the following season and John Aldridge came in to take his place.
At the beginning of last month our newly constructed team deservedly beat table-topping Port Vale (who currently sit second with just two defeats), the much maligned Tom Craddock scoring two excellent goals and we were flying yet just five weeks later we were apparently rubbish and, according to the footballing experts in the crowd/on the forums, this was down to a lack of experience, our squad a promising and talented one but lacking a senior player or two.
If Wilder is guilty of anything it is that he bowed to that pressure, panic-buying three experienced heads who, after two games, appear to be less than ideal.
The guy needs time and the chance to put things right.
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Post by wizzard on Nov 22, 2010 23:12:20 GMT
Well constructed post pete
But your comments on Bullman also apply,I feel to Wilder.
His tactics appear to have been sussed out by the opposition and theres no plan B
Theres no sign of him being able to halt the slide,in fact I would suggest we are getting worse instead of better.
I hope that he can prove me wrong.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Nov 23, 2010 9:05:00 GMT
Personally I think he’ll turn it around, he has too. Wilder will be all too aware that if he doesn’t turn it around he will be consigning the rest of his career to non-league management. He really doesn’t want that, he’s too ambitious. He just needs to go away, reflect on his mistakes, swallow his pride and put a plan in place. I think he is capable of that. I reckon lower mid table finish is in store for us this season.
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