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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 4, 2011 13:26:05 GMT
So, in the absence of absolute proof that something will happen, are we entitled to an opinion or not? I think Maclean will stay with us, but that view is based on nothing but a hunch and a lot of hope. Can I say it or do I have to wait until a contract is signed? If the latter, this forum deserves to wither and die.
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 4, 2011 13:31:51 GMT
You can have an opinion without it being informed. I think FMO is entitled to his opinion but i don't agree.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 4, 2011 13:36:18 GMT
Wouldn't saying "I think Maclean will stay with us" after he's signed a contract be a bit pointless? (geddit)
Dunno why I'm helping you flog this dead horse but the point of any message board is to post stuff that you think but don't know, express views (unfounded or otherwise), wind people up and laugh at the posters you think are amusing for whatever reason. That's the whole point.
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Post by loveandpride on Jan 4, 2011 13:37:59 GMT
Who are the "w@nkers " then Malcolm? We should be told!
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 4, 2011 13:51:47 GMT
Wouldn't saying "I think Maclean will stay with us" after he's signed a contract be a bit pointless? (geddit) Dunno why I'm helping you flog this dead horse but the point of any message board is to post stuff that you think but don't know, express views (unfounded or otherwise), wind people up and laugh at the posters you think are amusing for whatever reason. That's the whole point. Flogging a dead horse combines two of my favourite pastimes. Malcolm - name 'em. Let's run 'em out of town. |
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Post by fantasticmrox on Jan 4, 2011 14:29:30 GMT
You can have an opinion without it being informed. I think FMO is entitled to his opinion but i don't agree. Of course you can have an opinion, informed or not. Everybody does, so do I. Doesn't mean I or you are entitled to air said opinion just because you have it. I'm entitled to ignore your right to an opinion if I believe it is misinformed. It won't stop you giving it though, I'm sure. |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 4, 2011 15:11:59 GMT
You can have an opinion without it being informed. I think FMO is entitled to his opinion but i don't agree. Of course you can have an opinion, informed or not. Everybody does, so do I. Doesn't mean I or you are entitled to air said opinion just because you have it. I'm entitled to ignore your right to an opinion if I believe it is misinformed. It won't stop you giving it though, I'm sure. I am entitled to my opinion, If I share it with you, you are entitled to ignore it.  |
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Post by lordwilliam on Jan 4, 2011 15:51:11 GMT
I think the point is they are 'overly negative' when they think they have reason to be when they don't. lordwilliam for example... seen that thread where he's the biggest doom mongerer in the world? Good thread that one.  Opinions are what a forum is all about. But I'll repeat myself when I say that no-one on here is made of teflon. We can all be singled out for flak if we are spouting one opinion in November and then totally changing our stance a week later. Also, when criticised, resorting to personal insults rather than offering a decent reply. (Lord William) I've had enough of you. You are an incredible liar. You were the one who started a personal thread about me finishing it off with an insult, so what do you expect back...Praise? I mention a thread where I say to others leave off Wileder yet you still twist it. To be honest I haven't even bothered looking at your continued tirade on that thread. You don't seem to understand that people will get pissed off with the kind of personal tirade you and your multi beav, and I do question would you say that to someones face. I doubt it. So either let someone have an opinion, and give an adult reply or leave the forum, and go and stand in the street, shouting names at people passing, before hiding behind the nearest wall. |
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Post by lordwilliam on Jan 4, 2011 15:56:17 GMT
I think the point is they are 'overly negative' when they think they have reason to be when they don't. lordwilliam for example... seen that thread where he's the biggest doom mongerer in the world? So who decides when a particular opinion trips over that invisible line from just "negative" to "overly negative"? Who decides what degree of negativity is acceptable? I suggest we don't get precious over other people's opinions. Let Paul Ayres, lord william, Uncle Tom Cobley and all say what they like. If you strongly disagree you can say what you like back to them. If you really want to go down the road of "judging" comments, then there's only one person entitled to do so - East Stand Boy. It's his forum. It's not a democratic organisation with elected officers and we don't even pay a subscription, so talk of having a "right" to do or say anything is nonsense. Sorry not allowed under the strict orders of the person who is chippy/beav. Their law states simply, [glow=red,2,300] anyone who has a differeing opinion to mine, will be subject to abuse, regardless if we get our facts wrong or not.[/glow] |
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 4, 2011 16:07:28 GMT
Sorry but I don't agree with such "everyone is entitled to their opinion" rubbish. The fact is, a lot of people have opinions that are ill-informed and I don't see why their voices deserved to be heard above those who actually know what they are talking about. I think the following quote from Harlan Ellison sums it up quite nicely: "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." Quite. Why can't people can be ignorant if they wish to be? They are certainly entitled to be so if they want to. If they then post an opinion that someone else thinks is not based on any kind of probability or logic, then I'm sure they will then be informed... and maybe even end up less ignorant! |
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 4, 2011 16:17:12 GMT
So who decides when a particular opinion trips over that invisible line from just "negative" to "overly negative"? Who decides what degree of negativity is acceptable? I suggest we don't get precious over other people's opinions. Let Paul Ayres, lord william, Uncle Tom Cobley and all say what they like. If you strongly disagree you can say what you like back to them. If you really want to go down the road of "judging" comments, then there's only one person entitled to do so - East Stand Boy. It's his forum. It's not a democratic organisation with elected officers and we don't even pay a subscription, so talk of having a "right" to do or say anything is nonsense. Sorry not allowed under the strict orders of the person who is chippy/beav. Their law states simply, [glow=red,2,300] anyone who has a differeing opinion to mine, will be subject to abuse, regardless if we get our facts wrong or not.[/glow] I will always support the right of you - or anyone else - to comment as they see fit within the guidelines of decency and legality, but your threats to Beav using "SMHS" were dull to say the least. By the way, my opinion is that "Beav" and "Chippy" are very different people. |
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Post by fantasticmrox on Jan 4, 2011 16:44:43 GMT
Sorry but I don't agree with such "everyone is entitled to their opinion" rubbish. The fact is, a lot of people have opinions that are ill-informed and I don't see why their voices deserved to be heard above those who actually know what they are talking about. I think the following quote from Harlan Ellison sums it up quite nicely: "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." Quite. Why can't people can be ignorant if they wish to be? They are certainly entitled to be so if they want to. You can't wish to be ignorant. By the very act of wishing to stay ill-informed you are taking a decision that an ignorant person would not even be aware of. Such is the paradox.  |
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 4, 2011 16:48:55 GMT
You can choose to be ignorant - see the second & third senses below: ig·no·rant –adjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
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due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
I wouldn't mind being ignorant of this whole thread tbh |
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Post by Long Live Clarkey on Jan 4, 2011 16:53:58 GMT
Why can't people can be ignorant if they wish to be? They are certainly entitled to be so if they want to. You can't wish to be ignorant. By the very act of wishing to stay ill-informed you are taking a decision that an ignorant person would not even be aware of. Such is the paradox. Funny though that is (although slightly flawed), you're dodging a very valid point that somebody should be allowed to be ignorant, and post their opinions from this point of view. Irritating though these opinions may be, we are all guilty of them, and so long as there is freedom of speech, there will be people posting stupid opinions. We'll all shoot them down for it, telling them that they're wrong, maybe even telling them not to post that kind of thing, but we acknowledge their right to do so. After all, they may well continue to be ignorant if they keep their opinions shut up to themselves and never open them for others to criticise. |
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Post by YellowHoods on Jan 4, 2011 16:55:11 GMT
I wouldn't mind being ignorant of this whole thread tbh No you wouldn't. It's become a personal challenge for you. All we need is a contribution from Danny C for you to agree with and you'll be ecstatic. |
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Post by malcolmnl on Jan 4, 2011 20:12:33 GMT
Who are the "w@nkers " then Malcolm? We should be told! Can't name them because it's just my opinion and that's not allowed.But I sure can think it. ;D You also have your own ideas who they are and that may include me. That's fine by me because that's your opinion. Oh and you're not allowed to say it |
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jan 5, 2011 10:07:55 GMT
Most interesting debate in some time.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 5, 2011 10:28:48 GMT
In your opinion, maybe.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Jan 5, 2011 10:30:18 GMT
Of course, but I've read through more times, and with a bigger brain, so I'm far more informed |
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 5, 2011 10:33:13 GMT
Fair enough. Actually, you've made more posts as well so your opinion has to be better than mine.
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