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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 18, 2010 17:39:40 GMT
What I meant was people, male or female, who behave in an aggressive and antisocial manner. I used the term chav in an attempt to avoid snobbery because it refers to behaviour, not social class. Sorry to disagree again but I think it most certainly does refer to people from a certain class, the working class. If you wanted to avoid class-specific terms you could have substituted 'chavviest locals' for 'most thuggish locals' in your original post. I don't think you can say that to use the word chav is referring to all working class people. It might refer to a section of working class society but there are certainly working class people who are not chavs. Anyway, relating things to class nowadays is pointless, the traditional class system no longer applies. Either way it seems a pretty odd argument coming from the kind of person i imagine you, l&p, to be. |
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Post by hairy on Oct 18, 2010 20:33:09 GMT
I'm working class and i use the word chav, are the working classes the only people who can use it? Its been alright to have a pop at the white working classes for years so i suppose it was only a matter of time before someone came up with a derogatory name for us, cant say it bothers me that much but i am pretty thick skinned.
Students have always been brave in Oxford when they have numbers and are drunk but any other time have found them quite meek. Its not as if there is a lot of mixing going on between Town and Gown, could be two different worlds.
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Post by loveandpride on Oct 18, 2010 21:22:51 GMT
Sorry to disagree again but I think it most certainly does refer to people from a certain class, the working class. If you wanted to avoid class-specific terms you could have substituted 'chavviest locals' for 'most thuggish locals' in your original post. I don't think you can say that to use the word chav is referring to all working class people. It might refer to a section of working class society but there are certainly working class people who are not chavs. Anyway, relating things to class nowadays is pointless, the traditional class system no longer applies. Either way it seems a pretty odd argument coming from the kind of person i imagine you, l&p, to be. What kind of person do you imagine me to be then? I'm interested. I'm just uncomfortable with the word and the way some people use it as a 'catch-all' expression for anyone that they feel is infereior to them and they feel the need to look down on. |
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 19, 2010 7:53:05 GMT
I take L&P's point, but wonder how it contrasts to all his 'foam hands and face paint' jibes at other sections of Oxford support, which, basically, is just a catch-all generalisation to a type of supporter he feels superior to?
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Post by loveandpride on Oct 19, 2010 8:44:18 GMT
Fair point, but the 'foam hands' comments are obviously meant in jest, they refer to a way of dressing at football matches Unlike the 'C' word they are not judgmental about a person's values, lifestyle and behaviour.
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Post by Ricky Otto on Oct 19, 2010 9:15:33 GMT
Fair point, but the 'foam hands' comments are obviously meant in jest, they refer to a way of dressing at football matches Unlike the 'C' word they are not judgmental about a person's values, lifestyle and behaviour. (in your opinion) |
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 19, 2010 9:19:44 GMT
I know exactly what you are getting at, and you are right, it is a lazy, catch-all expression. But there are people who revel in the, and I hesitate to say it, 'Chav subculture', and it is becoming pretty well defined.
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Post by loveandpride on Oct 19, 2010 12:46:35 GMT
OK, but they wouldn't define themselves as 'chavs' would they? it's a derogatory term often accompanied by a sneer used to put people down.
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Post by extension207 on Oct 19, 2010 15:02:03 GMT
Sorry to disagree again but I think it most certainly does refer to people from a certain class, the working class. If you wanted to avoid class-specific terms you could have substituted 'chavviest locals' for 'most thuggish locals' in your original post. Love & Pride, mate you were having a bit of banter about how the students speak earlier in this thread. Nothing wrong with that, but if you're going to hand it out then you can't complain about the Chav word. I'm working class, I'm from Didcot ffs so that prob makes me a chav by default ;D and I don't see anything wrong with either your "what what Tarquin" banter about the students, or the use of the word Chav. |
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Post by extension207 on Oct 19, 2010 15:05:29 GMT
One more thing... No doubt I've looked like a Chav cleaning my football boots, or going to do the supermarket shopping in tracksuit and baseball cap on a Sunday... If people look down at me or say "Chav" then I have no problem with that what so ever.... People can think what they like as I know I'm equal, but not better, than anyone else...
This kind of thing is a bit "chip on the working class shoulder" isn't it? I mean it's hardly racism and who cares what anyone else thinks anyway!
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 19, 2010 15:27:05 GMT
OK, but they wouldn't define themselves as 'chavs' would they? it's a derogatory term often accompanied by a sneer used to put people down. There are a fair few who do define themselves as Chav, but generally you are right. |
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 19, 2010 15:48:16 GMT
I don't think you can say that to use the word chav is referring to all working class people. It might refer to a section of working class society but there are certainly working class people who are not chavs. Anyway, relating things to class nowadays is pointless, the traditional class system no longer applies. Either way it seems a pretty odd argument coming from the kind of person i imagine you, l&p, to be. I'm interested. I'm just uncomfortable with the word and the way some people use it as a 'catch-all' expression for anyone that they feel is infereior to them and they feel the need to look down on.Well i imagine that you are probably a fairly affluent person, presumably in a blue collar job or maybe with your own business, something like that. It would have to be something with a reasonable wage packet given your self confessed fondness for designer apparel and the requisite disposable income you would have to have to afford such an aesthetic. As to the second point, I agree that people use chav improperly as a catch-all, but I think you have to be sensitive to the fact that everyone who is using the word chav is not using it in such a general sense. I certainly would not use chav to characterise all working class people as there are plenty of people you could describe as working class who are not chavs in any sense of the word. |
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Post by kassyite on Oct 19, 2010 15:57:29 GMT
We ALL know what a Chav is..... ....gotta go the staffie needs feeding  |
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Oct 19, 2010 22:03:33 GMT
Working class smash up the joint = chavs
upper class smach up the joint = Bullingdon Club!
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 19, 2010 22:16:49 GMT
Working class smash up the joint = chavs upper class smach up the joint = Bullingdon Club! Local lads smash a few bottles on the pavement = Breach of the peace. Hooray Henrys smash Champagne bottles in the Street = Celebrations and high jinks. |
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Post by junior1 on Oct 19, 2010 23:09:55 GMT
Working class smash up the joint = chavs upper class smach up the joint = Bullingdon Club! Local lads smash a few bottles on the pavement = Breach of the peace. Hooray Henrys smash Champagne bottles in the Street = Celebrations and high jinks. Good post that ^^^^^^ |
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