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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 7:59:43 GMT
Will be confirmed this morning.
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Post by sam1985 on Jan 15, 2011 8:22:39 GMT
Best possible move for WHU. O'Neill could very well keep them up, and if he does you'd expect him to take them forward.
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 8:28:29 GMT
Best possible move for WHU. O'Neill could very well keep them up, and if he does you'd expect him to take them forward. I think O 'Neill is a strange choice for West Ham. This will be a major move away from their footballing philosophy because he is a direct football merchant and I would think playmakers like Mark Noble will be cringing at this appointment. I don't have a problem with the O'Neill way but I'm not sure he fits with the identikit West Ham way although he will probably keep them up so if it was a short term move I could see the seems in it. |
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Post by sam1985 on Jan 15, 2011 8:32:56 GMT
Yeah, I don't think West Ham are in a position right now to be thinking about the integrity of their footballing tradition. They need a rescue job and a ship-steadier and it was either MON or Big Sam, MON is leagues ahead in my opinion.
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 8:42:01 GMT
Yeah, I don't think West Ham are in a position right now to be thinking about the integrity of their footballing tradition. They need a rescue job and a ship-steadier and it was either MON or Big Sam, MON is leagues ahead in my opinion. Not so sure myself. I'm a fan of Allardyce and think he is a better manager than O'Neill. They have fairly similar Premiership records although Allardyce has done it over a longer period and on smaller budgets and I think he is far more astute in the transfer market than O'Neill. I also think Big Sam is more reliable and less quirky. O'Neill did himself no favours walking out on Villa two days before the start of the season, there's a bit of the Keegan about him and I think you could rely on Allardyce far more. |
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Post by OxYellow on Jan 15, 2011 9:13:21 GMT
Where are you getting this from baldy? sky sports news??
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Post by junior1 on Jan 15, 2011 9:26:24 GMT
It's all over the Internet TT
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 15, 2011 9:37:59 GMT
O'neill's record is impeccable. Great appointment.
And Baldy you can't criticise MON's philosophy and then praise Big Sam!!!
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 10:10:50 GMT
O'neill's record is impeccable. Great appointment. And Baldy you can't criticise MON's philosophy and then praise Big Sam!!! Why not ? All I am saying is that Martin O'Neill is, by and large, direct, long ball - the whole of football knows that. He's hardly the West Ham type is he. His treansfer record ? Dubious in my opinion. If you think he's more astute in the market than Allardyce then you've lost the plot. O'Neill spent millions and millions at Villa and loads just didnt work out. How many Villa players he brought have moved on for more money ? None. They will lose about £6m on Reo-Coker, £6m on Curtis Davies. I dont really think the likes of Young and Agbonlahor blossomed that much under O'Neill. Too many players stalled and didnt go on to better things. The likes of Albrighton, Banim and Clark were only ever heard of once Kevin McDonald took over and they are probably the three outstanding performers for Villa this season. O'Neill is a good manager but not great and I think top level Premiership would be a step too far for him. I'd never want him at Man U, not in a million years. O'neill epitomises an over hyped media manager. He's intellegent as a person and he's played on this quirkiness and philosophical media style delivery but he's ordinary where it really matters in top level football - tactically. |
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Post by Agadoo on Jan 15, 2011 10:23:00 GMT
What are you talking about Baldy? O'Neill has won the league cup twice, took Leicester into Europe and Villa were title challengers up to a point last season, since he left where are they now? bottom 3. And he won loads of trophies at Celtic, it's all about trophies remember? your words.
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Post by chris1986 on Jan 15, 2011 10:34:17 GMT
When was O'neil last in a relegation battle? Good manager in the long term but not convinced he is the man for a rescue job.
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 10:37:27 GMT
MON and Big Sam are very similar in their style of play. Direct.
Transfers: Baldy says no players have moved on for more money. He's obviously never heard of James Milner for example. £14million PROFIT.
MON has been more successful as a manager with a much higher win percentage (even if you take out the Celtic stats) and two League Cup wins.
Anyway Big Sam wants to manage abroad so West Ham was never an option.
To be honest neither is a top 4 manager. Both are good. Neither great.
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Post by OxYellow on Jan 15, 2011 10:37:58 GMT
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 10:42:40 GMT
Perhaps MON will have the reverse kind of effect that Owen Coyle has had at Bolton.
For years Bolton were set up to be hard to beat and Owen Coyle has added some style to their play and they have been (with Blackpool) the surprise of the season.
MON has a reputation for playing a more direct style of play, add that to the style that West Ham like to play and you might have a good mix which might get them out of trouble. I think he might just keep them up.
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 15, 2011 10:50:00 GMT
O'neill's record is impeccable. Great appointment. And Baldy you can't criticise MON's philosophy and then praise Big Sam!!! Why not ? All I am saying is that Martin O'Neill is, by and large, direct, long ball - the whole of football knows that. He's hardly the West Ham type is he. His treansfer record ? Dubious in my opinion. If you think he's more astute in the market than Allardyce then you've lost the plot. O'Neill spent millions and millions at Villa and loads just didnt work out. How many Villa players he brought have moved on for more money ? None. They will lose about £6m on Reo-Coker, £6m on Curtis Davies. I dont really think the likes of Young and Agbonlahor blossomed that much under O'Neill. Too many players stalled and didnt go on to better things. The likes of Albrighton, Banim and Clark were only ever heard of once Kevin McDonald took over and they are probably the three outstanding performers for Villa this season. O'Neill is a good manager but not great and I think top level Premiership would be a step too far for him. I'd never want him at Man U, not in a million years. O'neill epitomises an over hyped media manager. He's intellegent as a person and he's played on this quirkiness and philosophical media style delivery but he's ordinary where it really matters in top level football - tactically. Young and Agbonlahor didn't flourish?? Only got England recognition... All managers make mistakes, with Sir Alex you can talk about Djemba Djemba and Kleberson and many more. You are forgetting the successes of Friedel, Warnock, Milner, Petrov... If he was in charge do you really think Villa would be in the bottom 3? If I was a Hammers fan I would be over the moon. |
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 10:55:27 GMT
What are you talking about Baldy? O'Neill has won the league cup twice, took Leicester into Europe and Villa were title challengers up to a point last season, since he left where are they now? bottom 3. And he won loads of trophies at Celtic, it's all about trophies remember? your words. He's got lower league promotions, yes, just like Allardyce has. Celtic ? Come on, thats nothing to go over the top about. Its a two horse race and plenty of managers could have equalled his success up there, they'd have a 50/50 chance after all and it comes down to a 4 game season. I thought he bottled the UEFA Cup final too, Celtic sat so deep and just wanted a 0-0 to go to penalties. As for the Premiership Villa, given their resources, have performed no better really than Allardyce did on a vastly smaller budget at Bolton. Both have similar league finishes and finished fairly comfortably. There styles of play and thinking are very similar - Heskey and Carew for O'Neill and Davies and Elmander at Bolton. I would say that Allardyce signed a whole number of better technical footballers for Bolton than O'Neill did for Villa. All very similar so far and now it comes down to these two league cups and, in my opinion, O'Neill has dined out on these for pretty much his entire career in England. I wouldn't deny that it was a creditable achievement but you cant live off two league cups, a competition incidentally that you have no time for, for 20 years. That was a generation ago and holds little relevance to their ability to manage in todays Premier league. |
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 10:59:17 GMT
What are you talking about Baldy? O'Neill has won the league cup twice, took Leicester into Europe and Villa were title challengers up to a point last season, since he left where are they now? bottom 3. And he won loads of trophies at Celtic, it's all about trophies remember? your words. He's got lower league promotions, yes, just like Allardyce has. Celtic ? Come on, thats nothing to go over the top about. Its a two horse race and plenty of managers could have equalled his success up there, they'd have a 50/50 chance after all and it comes down to a 4 game season. I thought he bottled the UEFA Cup final too, Celtic sat so deep and just wanted a 0-0 to go to penalties. As for the Premiership Villa, given their resources, have performed no better really than Allardyce did on a vastly smaller budget at Bolton. Both have similar league finishes and finished fairly comfortably. There styles of play and thinking are very similar - Heskey and Carew for O'Neill and Davies and Elmander at Bolton. I would say that Allardyce signed a whole number of better technical footballers for Bolton than O'Neill did for Villa. All very similar so far and now it comes down to these two league cups and, in my opinion, O'Neill has dined out on these for pretty much his entire career in England. I wouldn't deny that it was a creditable achievement but you cant live off two league cups, a competition incidentally that you have no time for, for 20 years. That was a generation ago and holds little relevance to their ability to manage in todays Premier league. Big Sam has just dined out....... Won nowt. And it's all about trophies. |
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 11:01:53 GMT
West Ham fans will probably be delighted because, like Allardyce, he will stave off relegation but does anybody really think that West Ham - the suppoded academy of football - and all it stands for will be happy next season when MON gets them a John Carew or Emile Heskey and all they see is 60 yard launches down field ?
I have no problem with long ball but I'm not a West Ham and I just have my doubts that they can adjust from an age old style to one that will be alien to that particular football club.
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Post by baldy on Jan 15, 2011 11:06:55 GMT
He's got lower league promotions, yes, just like Allardyce has. Celtic ? Come on, thats nothing to go over the top about. Its a two horse race and plenty of managers could have equalled his success up there, they'd have a 50/50 chance after all and it comes down to a 4 game season. I thought he bottled the UEFA Cup final too, Celtic sat so deep and just wanted a 0-0 to go to penalties. As for the Premiership Villa, given their resources, have performed no better really than Allardyce did on a vastly smaller budget at Bolton. Both have similar league finishes and finished fairly comfortably. There styles of play and thinking are very similar - Heskey and Carew for O'Neill and Davies and Elmander at Bolton. I would say that Allardyce signed a whole number of better technical footballers for Bolton than O'Neill did for Villa. All very similar so far and now it comes down to these two league cups and, in my opinion, O'Neill has dined out on these for pretty much his entire career in England. I wouldn't deny that it was a creditable achievement but you cant live off two league cups, a competition incidentally that you have no time for, for 20 years. That was a generation ago and holds little relevance to their ability to manage in todays Premier league. Big Sam has just dined out....... Won nowt. And it's all about trophies. So Maurice Evans is comparable to Harry Redknapp ? Both have won just one trophy in their entire career. I don't get what you are saying. Whats your view of Redknapp given your logic. He's 10 years older than Allardyce and one trophy more. |
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Post by sihath on Jan 15, 2011 12:11:43 GMT
Big Sam has just dined out....... Won nowt. And it's all about trophies. So Maurice Evans is comparable to Harry Redknapp ? Both have won just one trophy in their entire career. I don't get what you are saying. Whats your view of Redknapp given your logic. He's 10 years older than Allardyce and one trophy more. I was quoting your mantra "It's all about winning trophies" so you should "get" what I am saying, as it's what you say.... Perhaps you could explain it to yourself. Then to us once you've got it straight in you own mind.  It's your own logic you are questioning I don't happen to think it's ALL about trophies when saying if someone has had a good career compared to someone from a totally different era., although if you are comparing similar managers, like MON and Sam, then it helps. MON and Big Sam have managed during a similar timescale, managed similar number of games 700-800 and in the same leagues at the same time at similar level, so to compare them is relatively easy. To compare Maurice Evans and Harry is far more difficult. Harry has managed over 1,000 games, Maurice maybe half that? They managed at different levels for most of their careers during different eras. Maurice inherited a very good side and kept them going in a similar way (a bit like Rafa winning the Champions League with a Houillier team?). Maurice was also a gentleman. Sadly I don't think he would have enjoyed managing nowadays as the game has changed so much. Compare Harry to Sam (and MON). Similar careers, start off in the lower leagues and build up a decent career. Different style of manager. Sam is scientific and plays the percentages. Harry is a bit more off the cuff and relies more on a flash of genius from his players, more gung ho. Hope that helps? |
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It's your own logic you are questioning