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Post by amarillo on Jan 7, 2011 16:57:55 GMT
Ok, but do you really give a shit about Liverpool? No not really, but as a debate its an interesting one for those of us who are interested in football in general not just Oxford United.
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Post by Wright for England on Jan 7, 2011 18:14:56 GMT
Ok, but do you really give a shit about Liverpool? There wouldn't be many posts on this forum if people only posted on what they give a shit about...... People like to comment on things they don't care about as well as OUFC. Oh and i don't care about Liverpool and enjoy them suffering. Is that ok? Whatever floats your boat i suppose... doesn't really get me off though
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Post by peterdevo on Jan 7, 2011 18:42:45 GMT
They should re-sign Emile Heskey and Michael Owen
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Post by yellowwhite on Jan 7, 2011 19:27:52 GMT
They shouldn't be looking at players outside of the premiership. They need to stabilise a rebuild from a solid foundation and the only way to do that is with English players or players used to the premiership. They have a team built of too many weak foreigners at the moment who may have some technical ability but don't have the work ethic and are taking too long to settle in England. Players like Aquilani, Poulsen, Riera just aren't the answer. I'd be after players like Parker or Samba and if they need some more flair get someone like Nzogbia who you know can play in the premiership. The 2 Belgian boys mentioned Hazard and Lukaku look fantastic talents and would be ok if they already had a solid team to come into but at the moment there is no point signing players like that. Not saying they need to play like an Atkins side they just need players who are happy and settled and don't feel they automatically deserve a top 6 finish. Moody players coming from overseas and getting home sick is the last thing they need at the moment. Good post. Parker, Samba, Nzogbia are exactly the sort they should be after Agreed all would be good signings, would like to see Parker and Gerrard together as well.. Maybe look at Henderson from Sunderland? Hangeland? Think Johnson from Man City would be a superb signing too, could snap him up for 12m ish too.. I think they should've gone for Jones while he was leaving Sunderland, would've been an ideal partner for Torres.
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Post by Dougie07 on Jan 7, 2011 19:39:29 GMT
I believe Benitez tried to...
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 7, 2011 19:40:09 GMT
Cash in on Torres. I'd sell Gerrard and retire Carragher. Of their top class players Reina is the only one I would keep. Torres and Gerrard are great players but I think Liverpool could still find a buyer willing to pay stupid money for Gerrard and his best days are behind him. Torres' heart simply isnt in the club and they could make a tidy profit on him. I would target Tiote at Newcastle (£8m), Gary Cahill (£12m), Pavlyuchenko (£10m), Adam Johnson (£15m), Chris Brunt (£6m) and I would take a gamble on Danny Graham (£3m) at Watford - the most natural striker outside the Premiership. Liverpool used to have a great reputation for unearthing a real diamond from the lower leagues and while that has gone a bit out of fashion I still think there are some great players down there. They could get that lot (£55m) for Torres' and Gerrards fees and the sale of about 6 ordinary foreigners currently blighting their squad would reap another (£10m). Its a good job you aren't the iverpool manager isn't it bald. The only thing your plan would do is cripple liverpool for at least the next decade. But then that's waht you want isn't it.
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Post by baldy on Jan 7, 2011 22:57:37 GMT
Cash in on Torres. I'd sell Gerrard and retire Carragher. Of their top class players Reina is the only one I would keep. Torres and Gerrard are great players but I think Liverpool could still find a buyer willing to pay stupid money for Gerrard and his best days are behind him. Torres' heart simply isnt in the club and they could make a tidy profit on him. I would target Tiote at Newcastle (£8m), Gary Cahill (£12m), Pavlyuchenko (£10m), Adam Johnson (£15m), Chris Brunt (£6m) and I would take a gamble on Danny Graham (£3m) at Watford - the most natural striker outside the Premiership. Liverpool used to have a great reputation for unearthing a real diamond from the lower leagues and while that has gone a bit out of fashion I still think there are some great players down there. They could get that lot (£55m) for Torres' and Gerrards fees and the sale of about 6 ordinary foreigners currently blighting their squad would reap another (£10m). Its a good job you aren't the iverpool manager isn't it bald. The only thing your plan would do is cripple liverpool for at least the next decade. But then that's waht you want isn't it. Which of those acquisitions don't you approve of ? Most have considerable Premiership experience and none would be over priced. Tiote is an excellent player, Cahill a very solid defender with decent pace, Pavlyuchenko boasts a pretty impressive goal return for a bit part player, Johnson is probably the most dangerous winger in the Preniership but is in and out of Citys team and I really rate Brunt. A driving midfielder with an eye for goal. Graham would be a gamble but £3m would get him and thats peanuts for a Premiership club. Who would you rather that lot or Lucas, Kyriagkos, Ngog, Babel and Aquilani ?
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Post by Raggles on Jan 8, 2011 0:00:32 GMT
I hate Liverpool and Hodgson has taken them to new depths. However, I am taking an interest in matters at Anfield as I find it midly amusing. Benetiz is to blame for the poor squad Hodgson inherrited but for a man to slag off The Kop really was putting his own nail into his coffin.
Today I read Lawrie Sanchez on the BBC website slate Liverpool and he is right. They have so many poor players.
I would keep unless it is too late which is a real possibility, Renia, Gerrard, Lucas and Torres. All the others should be transfer-listed with immediate effect. They should raid Eastlands to start off with and sign young hungry players.
I would get Micah Richards, Michael Johnson and look at Santa Cruz, Adebayor, SWP and Bridge. Adam Johnson would also interest me but I doubt they would sell. Gary Cahill, Scott Parker, Matt Taylor, Charlie Adam and Scott Dann and Ridgewell would also be on my hit-list.
As for the continued links to Defeour, Lukuku and other hot european talent like Eljia or whatever his name is, Liverpool haven't got a chance until they restore some pride.
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Post by chris1986 on Jan 8, 2011 1:30:56 GMT
I don't like Liverpool, but the football manager player in me drives me to threads like this
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Post by hairy on Jan 8, 2011 10:47:19 GMT
If you took over in the summer as Liverpool manager, what would you do? Clearly, a huge clear-out is needed. I'd start off with a teamsheet that just said: Reina Gerrard J.Cole Torres And go from there. Straight away I'd sell: Paul Konchesky Fabio Aurelio Milan Jovanovic Maxi Rodriguez David Ngog Christian Poulsen Lucas Levia Ryan Babel And consider offers for any other players who weren't on my 4 man teamsheet. And then I'd go to the board with this list of transfer targets: Adebayor Shaun Wright-Phillips Micah Richards Gary Cahill Steven Ireland Carlos Vela (season-long loan) All of whom would be broadly realistic - I'd like to go for bigger/better players like Benzema or Pato, but Liverpool is hardly a massive draw for a player nowadays. Say I could get most of those, you could be looking at a team which was: Reina Richards Skrtel Cahill Agger SWP Gerrard Ireland J.Cole Adebayor Torres Bench: Carragher, Vela, Meireles, Kuyt, Shelvey, Glen Johnson, Kyrgiakos Now that may not be a top 4 team but it's probably a top 6 one if you could get them playing well, and a hell of a lot better than the one they have now. You would play that as a first team? Worse than what Liverpool have now. Richards is no better than Johnson and Agger is no left back ( and you couldnt afford Cahill nor would he go to you). No holding midfielder in the team and Ireland cant get in a poor villa team while SWP and Cole are well overrated. To top it off you would put the human sulk that is Adebayor next to an incresingly pissed off Torres? Would be the most expensively assembled team in a relegation battle ever.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 8, 2011 13:58:03 GMT
Its a good job you aren't the iverpool manager isn't it bald. The only thing your plan would do is cripple liverpool for at least the next decade. But then that's waht you want isn't it. Which of those acquisitions don't you approve of ? Most have considerable Premiership experience and none would be over priced. Tiote is an excellent player, Cahill a very solid defender with decent pace, Pavlyuchenko boasts a pretty impressive goal return for a bit part player, Johnson is probably the most dangerous winger in the Preniership but is in and out of Citys team and I really rate Brunt. A driving midfielder with an eye for goal. Graham would be a gamble but £3m would get him and thats peanuts for a Premiership club. Who would you rather that lot or Lucas, Kyriagkos, Ngog, Babel and Aquilani ? Its not who you're bringing in, its the fact that you're getting the cash by selling the club's only assets. Aside form Carragher, Gerrard, Reina, Torres and possibly Kuyt the squad is dogsh*te and should all be binned, so there's no point selling the only good players they have in order to buy in players who, while effective signings, would not get the club back to the level it wants to be at.
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Post by amarillo on Jan 9, 2011 9:27:10 GMT
Whatever floats your boat i suppose... doesn't really get me off though If you're wanting to get off then its probably not a football messageboard you're after
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Post by Out of the gloom on Jan 10, 2011 12:10:43 GMT
First be realistic. Champions League qualification, let alone the title, are for another season. Target should be top-half finish, European place at best (sic). Whilst I regard it as worthless, winning the Europa League should not be discounted. Second, never keep a player who isn’t committed. Gerrard, Reina and Torres retained till the summer. By when performances should have improved and they can be convinced to stay. Otherwise anyone who can find a permanent move, preferably abroad / not to rivals, should be permitted to leave for a reasonable price. Third, with the three previously mentioned Carragher, Kuyt, Agger and possibly Skrtel (Carragher availability depending ) provide a core to build around. Fourth, permanent transfers in January are difficult. Loans are more likely. Potential targets from most to least likely: - Stephen Warnock; available if Villa sign Wayne Bridge, former Liverpool and better than Konchesky.
- Jamie O’Hara ; available on loan after injury, proven performer in tough circumstances for Pompey, adds balance and versatility with left foot. ‘Honorary Scouser’ as soon to be Mr D Lloyd.
- Aiden McGeady; unsettled at Spartak Moscow. Moving Johnson forward because he can’t defend is not the answer, he has to learn. Sign a proper RM.
- Michael Bradley; hard-working US midfielder impressed at World Cup, would allow Gerrard to push forward. As it will take a bit of money for Borussia Monchengladbach to sell, best appeal to someone the owners will be familiar with.
- Michael Owen; totally unrealistic. Fergie would rather cut his arm (and probably every other part of his body) off than help Liverpool. But as my mum said ‘if you don’t ask, you don’t get’. Things couldn’t get anymore unreal and an experienced Premier League striker is needed.
Fifth, appoint a loyal number 2 (confirmed as Steve Clarke) and evaluate coaching structure. Hodgson’s assistant is a goner. Sammy Lee’s position to be reviewed end of the season. Even if Daliglish is to stay beyond the end of the season, a young manager (not Wilder ) needs to be identified as the future, even brought in as a coach. Personal view, couldn’t care a less how any other professional team than Oxford is doing. However as a football fan, what Dalglish and Liverpool will do next is going to be a fascinating.
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