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Post by wingwongox on Jan 2, 2011 16:58:11 GMT
Is our lack of creativity..
For the first time in ages I sat in the SSU yesterday and unfortunately I got a much better view of the game than my usual East Stand spot.
For my money I think we'll end up somewhere in the top half, but we're probably not good enough to challenge this year - and for teams in those positions you are going to get the odd abject performance like yesterdays.
Yesterday their back 4 had MacLean and Beano in their pocket from the start - so there was no get out ball for our defence. As a result we found ourselves under more pressure than we did against Macc. The only creative player we had was Alfie, and I thought he worked really hard yesterday but he wasn't having as big an impact as he has done in previous games. As we didn't have any other creative players in the side, I would have changed the side by trying a bit of pace. For me Batt and Green would have been good substitutions yesterday, not saying it would have worked but it would have given them something different to think about.
Defensively we don't look great at the moment, but Wright will make a difference but I really think we need to address our lack of creativity - be that signing an out an out winger, or another 'tricky' little player.
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 2, 2011 17:24:50 GMT
I'd say we're creative when we get the ball down in midfield. But Sarfend didn't let us do that.
It was us hoofing the ball up to Maclean and Beano all day because the defence couldn't/wouldn't pass it along the ground and forward at the same time.
When we did have the ball on the ground around the box we looked likely to score.
1) Beano skinned a man put it wide
2) Heslop won the second ball - passed it out wide and Purkiss delievered
3) Maclean got the ball on the ground - crossfield ball to Purkiss who put in a cross Beano should have scored
Those 3 chances off the top of my head and they are probably our 3 best chances as well!
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Post by hablopicasso on Jan 3, 2011 12:32:20 GMT
We are much more of an attacking force down the right flank when Batt is in the side.
I'm not sure I agree with the general opinion that Payne is a defensive midfielder. Would like to see him played further up the midfield as he is surely capable of some creative passes in the final third. Clist, for all the good he does, is rarely going to split a defence.
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Post by Millman on Jan 3, 2011 13:06:59 GMT
Our biggest problem is 433. It leaves the midfield narrow and lacking pace. It lets teams playing 4 in midfield out number our players and isolates our front 3. Result hoof from defence over the top to try and find them. Also the reason why Batt looks good as he does push forward down the wings. Another problem is it puts huge pressure of our left and right backs as they have no one if front of them to help them. Thus putting immense pressure on our defence which is having to act as both first and last line of defense. This is why our midfield is looking so bad we are losing this battle all to often.
I would love to see us give up on this formation as a failed experiment to be used only in games against weaker opposition. What I fear will happen is a pig headed Wilder will keep on with his vain never ending search for central midfiedlers who will make this flawed formation work.
I think we will end the season lower midtable unless we find the magic formula to make 433 work. I also worry how we will struggle when Mcclean goes back if he does.
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Post by paulayres on Jan 3, 2011 13:53:56 GMT
Our biggest problem is :- WILDER.
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Post by Millman on Jan 3, 2011 14:07:58 GMT
No i don't think its that easy Paul. There is no doubt Wilder is excellent at finding players. My problem is just with his tactical intransigence and stubborn pigheadedness. He is not a bad manager by any stretch but currently we seem to have reached his limits. He needs to learn much (or to get lucky with the players he is buying) if we are to push on further.
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Post by hablopicasso on Jan 3, 2011 15:59:38 GMT
Our biggest problem is 433. It leaves the midfield narrow and lacking pace. It lets teams playing 4 in midfield out number our players and isolates our front 3. Completely agree with your assessment of 4-3-3. I'm not a massive fan, for the same reasons; outnumbered midfield, pressure on full backs, lack of scope for attacking full backs (which is Batt's strength in particular, and one of our greatest weapons), narrow attackers. The thing is, a lot of the time it does work. Sometimes it doesn't, so we chase games with 4-4-2. Sometimes 4-4-2 works. A lot of the time it doesn't. I don't think its as cut and dry as saying "442 works" or "433 doesn't" - you only have to look at how often we, and every other side, change formations in a match. It is more about being adaptable, trying different things depending on the opposition and the score. |
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Post by Cardiff Yellow on Jan 3, 2011 22:02:31 GMT
No i don't think its that easy Paul. There is no doubt Wilder is excellent at finding players. My problem is just with his tactical intransigence and stubborn pigheadedness. He is not a bad manager by any stretch but currently we seem to have reached his limits. He needs to learn much (or to get lucky with the players he is buying) if we are to push on further. Give the guy a chance! Anyone who manages to win an away game 4-3 on the back of that shower of poo just 48 hours earlier is clearly a talented manager. This is his FIRST season as a manager at this level. He will learn. To get rid and start again could have terrible consequences on the atmosphere at the club, the finances, and the league position. Give him at least 3 years - his contract - to see where he can take us. |
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Post by 'Beav' on Jan 4, 2011 6:00:27 GMT
We definitely lack creativity  |
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Post by Gavin Archery on Jan 4, 2011 8:58:43 GMT
Midson scoring a hatrick.
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Post by peterdevo on Jan 4, 2011 9:14:40 GMT
What a goal he got in added time!!
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Post by junior1 on Jan 4, 2011 9:18:20 GMT
Craddocks was a great goal!
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Post by diadoraelite on Jan 4, 2011 9:24:12 GMT
Agree great goal
Then gave the ball away for there two goals
for 3 all
goal ability 8 passing ability 2
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Post by junior1 on Jan 4, 2011 9:31:16 GMT
What was worley doing for the 2nd!
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Post by diadoraelite on Jan 4, 2011 9:57:44 GMT
God knows but wouldnt mind getting a league experienced centre half as a next signing.
Personally dissapointed with letting a 3-1 lead go too pot!!
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Post by diadoraelite on Jan 4, 2011 9:58:49 GMT
But extremely happy winning even tho i Farked off with 3 minutes to go.
DOH!!
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Post by SuperOx on Jan 4, 2011 10:45:58 GMT
But extremely happy winning even tho i Farked off with 3 minutes to go. DOH!! Why would you go to the trouble of travelling to Plainmoor and leaving a game early at 3-3 ? |
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Post by Brahma Bull on Jan 4, 2011 10:47:02 GMT
Our biggest problem is :- WILDER. No I don't think so. |
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Post by yellowabingdon on Jan 4, 2011 12:15:01 GMT
We're creative enough.
Our biggest problem is our defences reaction to having the ball at feet.
A narrow midfield works for likes of Germany & Spain so there is nothing wrong with it. The formation is formation of choice for most of the Premier League & Spain won the World Cup using it so it isnt the formation.
The difference is how you use it.
Our defences reaction to getting the ball at feet is to hoof it upfield without so much as a look up.
If we played the ball out of defence, used the midfield better and started getting the ball to feet, instead of hoofs to Potter, we would look like a completely different team.
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Post by sarge1 on Jan 4, 2011 14:02:51 GMT
We're creative enough. Our biggest problem is our defences reaction to having the ball at feet. A narrow midfield works for likes of Germany & Spain so there is nothing wrong with it. The formation is formation of choice for most of the Premier League & Spain won the World Cup using it so it isnt the formation. The difference is how you use it. Our defences reaction to getting the ball at feet is to hoof it upfield without so much as a look up. If we played the ball out of defence, used the midfield better and started getting the ball to feet, instead of hoofs to Potter, we would look like a completely different team. Nail on the head that |
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